
Wrapping Up the Skirt Issue
Wrapping Up the Skirt Issue
Rumor has it that this blog has been kind of busy with comments lately. Seriously, I know that many of you have posted some pretty passionate comments on the subject of Kyla Ebberts and "traveling attire" in general, and we have been listening. I thank each of you for sharing your thoughts, and I want you to know that we haven't been skirting the issue.
This situation involved a judgment call for sure. These situations are subjective, and not everyone holds the same opinions. We serve more than 96 million Customers a year; and every now and then, we'll have a situation that takes on a life of its own. This was the case here.
We always want to apologize if we offend any of our Customers, and we also support our Employees abilities to make decisions. We are apologizing to Kyla, in typical Southwest style, and I hope you will click here to read about it.
Many, many of you on both sides of this issue have asked about a dress code. We do have a dress code for our Employees who use their travel benefits, but we do not have a dress code for our paying Customers. Our job is not to be the fashion police; our job is to take care of our Customers and ensure they have a safe flight.
We are proud of our past that included hot pants and we are proud of our future, and I want all of you to be part of that future.
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As a SWA family member and frequent flyer at swa, good for you flight crew. I am personally tired of having to turn the other way because I accidentally looked over and saw the woman with the ( new meaning ) cut off shorts and saw her buisness without undies. Or the woman who is on a full family flight out of Orlando to Providence in a tube top, that's right a tube top I could see the lower half of her bare breast maybe even a little ^%^ple, yikes. Or the time I saw a girl wearing a bikini top. Please put a stop to the almost nude maddness. We should ask ourselves is this offensive to my mom? just like we ask ourselves would we want our mom on that flight? NO.
Colleen,
Thank you for acknowledging the situation. I hope for all concerned that your message involving no dress code filters down to your employees. I also am hoping that your employees will remember this issue and unless there is a safety issue, treat their customers customers with the respect and dignity they would like to be treated if they were on the receiving end. I do believe that SWA will be encountering some more questions about employee training and the actions taken against the offending employee. Thank you again for listening and finally addressing the issue.
Part two
More from the Mini Skirt Fare Announcement:
"Southwest Airlines today faces
the bare facts and reveals the naked truth."
"Some have said we've gone from loving hot pants to having hot flashes but
nothing could be farther from the truth, "said Southwest's CEO Gary Kelly.
"The publicity caught us with our pants down, quite frankly. The story has
such great legs
Makes Kelly sound like a dope.
While I think this apology should have come much earlier than it did, I'm glad to see that SWA has apologized for it's error, and publicly admitted to the mistake.
Good job!
Sorry Hun,
Too little, too late.
And to top it off, now you're trying to gain commercially from an appalling, disgusting and discriminatory action by your employee and your airline in general. I have lost all my respect for Southwest and the corporate culture that permitted and then ignored this reprehensible action. A company that treats a paying customer the way you did deserves to have its corporate pants sued off of it. And then Kyla can complain about how YOU are dressed.
Say goodbye to my business on Bradley-Midway.
Sean from Connecticut
Debra,
Am I to interpret "SWA family member" as that you are an employee of SWA? If not, the following does not apply to you and I apologize. If so, did you read the statement by your president about NO DRESS CODE and the customer? If yes, your attitude that you are "tired" of your customers looking the way they do, just shows that you have anti-customer sentiment and are willing to degrade customers just on their looks. I am not trying to "scold" anyone here but I would suggest that you restrict your anti-customer opinions to the break room or the "water cooler" where your fellow employees can share your opinions. "Anti-customer sentiment" or degrading comments about customers on this public blog, is just going to keep this topic alive and SWA will have to field more criticism by the travelling public as to why their employees just don't get it.
Thank you for finally addressing this matter publicly, humorously and appropriately.
While I certainly agree with some of the above comments on appropriateness of clothing for flying, I do not believe the clothes in this particular instance warranted the treatment Ms. Ebberts received. The was no indication that pulling a Britney Spears, so I guess you can chalk it up to experience and hope that all involved learned a lesson.
By the way, the "story has great legs" comment was priceless!
I just want to say way to go!! I am really tired of women dressing like harlots. If that lady wanted to dress that way she should not have been apologized to. She knew exactly how she was dressing when she put her clothes on that morning. There were probably children on that flight who did not need to see all that mess. What kind of message are these women trying to send anyway?!!
As clever as it is, this apology is ambiguous and insulting to your front-line employees. If you mean to say that the front line employee erred, come out and say it. If you're saying that your damage control effort failed, that much is obvious to everyone. If you mean to point out that Kyla's story is PR-motivated and incorrect, step forward with the facts that only Southwest has. If you want to avoid taking any position at all, congratulations!
"These situations are subjective, and not everyone holds the same opinions."
OK, so how about telling us the facts so we can have informed opinions rather than uninformed and prejudiced guesses?
For example: Did another passenger complain? If so, exactly what was that complaint, word for word? Do your employees contend that he clothing was configured differently than the way she appeared in interviews? If so, what were the differences? Is there any substance at all to the rumors of missing or thong underwear? If not, would you please quash them immediately?
If a customer is falsely maligning you in the media, you can afford to make an exception to normal policy about making the customer look bad . This passenger has presented her story in the media, and most people will assume that story is correct and complete unless and until Southwest tells its side. You owe your front line employees that much.
I've said it before, but if Kyla appeared on the aircraft EXACTLY as she appeared in the interviews, I doubt anyone would have asked her to change, and any such request would have been an error, in my opinion. If her appearance was different on the flight, the public needs to hear the specifics so that they can feel confident in the judgment of Southwest's front line employees.
In summary: Depending on the facts, your backhanded apology is either too much or too little. I tend to believe that Southwest employees acted reasonably because in my 700 or more flights as a customer I have never seen anything else. But if you won't step forward with the facts to defend your company or your employees, why should anyone else defend you?
I know Herb is a lawyer, but this evasiveness is ridiculous. Defend your company properly and then have Herb challenge Kyla to a Hula contest for $5000. That's a win-win.
I learned of this "news" breaking story via Fox News. I was astonished that this issue was considered newsworthy, and ignorantly brushed off the issue, simply because women now-a-days typically dress like "halloween" for lack of a better word; I think that I have been desensitized to this type of dress attire. However, I found myself in the pool of society wherein, we just "accept" certain things about our society because of its commonality, and when I found myself pondering about thsi type of "acceptance" I recoiled at my cowardice to stand up for the basic minimal standards of society, and what this society was once, dignified by.
Moreover, I became drawn to this issue and anticipated Southwest's response to all of its critics. While Southwest did excellent media and marketing damage control to diffuse this issue, I believe that Southwest did more to encourage society's acceptance of things without considering, if any, the positive, hard-nosed incentives against the acceptance of women dressing like halloween. My fiancee and I travel frequently, and quite frankly, I am disgusted to see women, from teenage girls to women--old enough to be my mother--dressing like halloween--what has our society come to, where we allow our women and encourage our women to dress so whorishly, like halloween? In short, these women leave nothing to the imagination, and they also, don't promote a positive-standard of dignity and respect for the younger women to follow as an example. What's more is that, these type of women with simple minded attitudes that "No one tells me what do, and I will do what I want to do," are same women who complain when a man calls them a whore or hoe or bitch, or cries when men treat them as second class and are used only, for one-night stands. To paraphrase Dave Chappell, "If a women is dressed inappropriately and you are really not that way, don't get mad at [us men] because you are certainly dressed in a hoe's uniform."
Southwest congrats on taking some kind of stand against what is typically acceptable, I just hope for the sake of your kids, my kids and others that this company will stand behind its employees and implement and maintain, any and all, consequences to prevent (instead of rewarding the halloween dressers) passengers (customers) who think they have a right to reveal all of their assets--which they have the right to--to discourage dressing like halloween in certain public areas; it is a matter of public policy and decency, have some decency and cover up, go home or to the club and "sport" your hoe's uniform at the proper venus.
Ms. Barrett,
Wow! Talk about making a 180-degree course correction! Did CEO Kelly give you a good "talking to" after the comments you made just yesterday*?
Well, for me, Southwest's action is too little, too late. I have already directed my company's travel department to remove your airline from our preferred list of carriers. I hope other companies out there also take similar steps to show you how serious this misstep was.
*see the following news link:
http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2007/09/10/daily50.html
I do believe the evil greed has hit again. Shame on SWA for backing down! It all boils down to the fear of loosing profits. Our society is truly in moral decay!
Has either Colleen (Barrett) or Gary (Kelly) been in contact with Martin Reed (Kyla's lawyer) regarding your apology? Do they feel that the issue is closed yet?
Suggestion: Please address these issues while are lined up in our ABC and prior to the beginning of the boarding process in the future. In my opinion, that's when you are the most professional and can be the most discreet as possible.
After her My Space website was posted on one of the comments, I do not feel she is even entitled to one apology. I was appalled at her web site...pretty trashy and not sure that even her mother would "approve" of her site. She is definately not the all american lady and certainly does not deserve an apology.
I am flying Southwest the end of this month and am looking forward to flying with a professional group of people. Just hope that I dont have to sit next to another Kyla lookalike!
Thank you, Colleen! It is indeed relieving to know that cooler, rational heads prevail in the executive suite.
Mr Kelly's comments come off sounding rather sexist. Why is so hard just to say "Sorry" without all the other junk. In response to the other comments posted, I must miss these flights with the half dressed or undressed passengers, or else I MIND MY OWN BUSINESS!
Going Like Sixty seems to think Gary Kelly "sounds like a dope". I think he sounds like a genius, making lemonade out of lemons and creating a press release that makes fun of itself in short order. Like Colleen says, the announcement was made in typical Southwest style - with flair!
WTBB
What you should be apologizing for, Ms. Barrett, is Brian Lusk puffing up his chest in sanctimonious fashion about the Dan Fleschner article on MSNBC All Day site. Whatever the issue about the skirt being too short, for Lusk to be so bold as to imply "We were right. Even Dan Fleschner agrees", is inexcusable. Let me ask you a question, Ms. Barrett.
What would Herb say?
1. The tenor of the Southwest "apology" is nothing short of ridiculous. It will be seen as sexist, and frankly stupid, by many; that being so, why would SWA shoot themselves in the corporate foot a second time?. Surely any business image consultant (the profession that exploded after the Tylenol episode of many years ago) could have told the brainless CEO of SWA and other executives that a simple, straightforward acknowledgment of regret would have been far preferable. The fact of an apology would satifsy some and disappoint others, but the style of an apology should not, itself, create even more PR issues. How stupid.
2. Without a written dress code for passengers an issue like this was bound to arise. And doubtless there is no such dress code because it would be impossible to craft and also to enforce. In the absence of such a code, then, evaluation of passenger attire is left to the discretion, indeed, the caprice, of any individual SWA employee. It is patently inevitable that such a "policy" would lead to conflict and, ultimately, bad public relations.
3. The previous point is underscored by the fact that on her return flight to San Diego a SWA flight attendant complimented her on her attire, the very same attire that cause SWA flight attendant "Keith" so much heartburn earlier in the day.
4. Bottom line to those at SWA: Grow up. You are in the public transport business. Sitting for hours in a cramped metal tube at high altitude with many strangers makes for an interesting dynamic in any circumstance. Fostering employee independence is fine, but you fail your employees and the traveling public by essentially trying to have it both ways. Prompt and sincere acknowledgment of any mistake ought to be THE highest corporate priority. Someone at SWA (or many someones) has clearly been breathing thin for too long.
Give me a break. All this over some skin. Next thing you know, we'll be back to banning nursing mothers. Aren't there more important things in the world to get upset about, i.e. hunger, war, religious freedom, health issues, etc. We Americans put far too much emphasis on skin and it will keep tainting our children until we get smart. Hats off to SW for making a good thing out of a mistake.
What a joke, you're poor attempt with the 'mini-skirt' fares is plain stupid, a juvenile attempt to cover up the fact that you 'stepped in it'.
Not surprised by some of the comments about how poorly or scantily she was dressed. I'll bet they spent a long time looking at her, long and hard before they got caught looking. Any 'decent' person who is offended by something would turn their head and move on.
I'd ask my wife and daughters to fly wearing micro minis just to test. But I'd rather not waste my money on Southworst. There are other abeit more expensive airlines who do not issue dressing lessons or burkas to their female passengers.
I wish SWA was just as attentive to the matter of oversized people boarding the plane. They should ask them to leave unless they pay for two seats.
Kelly sounds like a dope.
He is trying to capitalize on a MISTAKE made by WN employee. If a pilot lands at a wrong airport, will he offer a special Corrigan's Folly fare?
Flair? Stupid marketing.
PS: apparently Part One of my post didn't make it for some reason (no conspiracy.)
Barrett apologized only after making some flippant and tasteless remarks. It came of as insincere. A CEO should not make jokes when apologizing.
Say your sorry, why you are sorry, and what you will do do make it right.
She did that but only after making fun of the original error.
Colleen pulls a 180, typical chick.
Now where are all the southworst supporters ripping on Kyla? Haha!
I assumed you would wind up naming an airplane after Kyla, but maybe Hooter's Airline has the trademark on that........
Thanks for apologizing. It shouldn't have taken as long as it did, but at least you realized you screwed up. I'm flying in to Vegas on Southwest next Friday. Someone who's dressed like Kyla's welcome to sit next to me.
Very true, some women dress inappropriately.
Does that mean that grocery stores, movie theaters, malls and such have a right to deny access to customers whose outfits are subjectively considered risquÃ
I gotta side with those who are criticizing Colleen for backing down; it now seems that Southwest is violating its policy of Employees coming first, Customers second.
If I were "Keith," I'd be updating my resume. Shame on Colleen and everyone on down for letting this man hang out to dry. There was nothing -- NOTHING -- for SWA to apologize to this skank for.
Leah, be ye forewarned. This may happen to you.
I completely stand behind the SWA employees who asked that woman to cover up! As a frequent flyer and a mother of a frequent "UM", I know from experience that there are more conservatively covered passengers out of that "96 million" and I am disappointed that more of those passengers did not speak up in defense of SWA. There is a time and a place for such attire and on an airplane is not one of them. Thank you SWA for NOT having assigned seating, because if my UM was stuck sitting next to something like that woman, I would drive directly to the corporate office and pitch a HUGE fit! Flying on SWA is a choice. Just as SWA can charge an obese person for covering too much, I hope SWA does put a dress code in effect for those that cover too little. The Dallas based crew that regularly helped my little UM to Kansas City...you are greatly missed.
Last i checked this was America right? People can wear what they want. i am just gonna guess here but I would say that the people that are complaining are the 72% overweight americans. This girl should get free flight for life.
Through it all-Thanks. Please back your employees and support them when necessary. They seem to put out your Company culture easily. We try not to sit next to someone dressed as the picture shows, because we are in such close quarters, it is impossible to keep from rubbing up against each other. I don't want to be saying excuse my all the time and trying to keep my eyes averted. I imagine it is quite an eyeful when she bends to get her stuff or stands up and stretches to retrieve her gear or all the body crush when waiting in the aisle to deplane. Wow.
What is the company policy on breast feeding on a flight? Seems like that can expose as much or more in some cases.
To Southwest Airlines: Kindly stick to flying airplanes safely and efficiently. You are not the morality police. If you are sued over this mess, you brought it on yourselves.
To the ignorant Prudes who are offended by the human body, including their own: If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Keep your morals and your long, busybody noses to yourselves --or-- take the bus, drive, or hitchhike.
I have spent a lot of money flying Southwest over the years. I'm starting to think something is wrong with you guys.
I think Southwest has forgot that the coustomer is always right, to embaress a large man by making him buy a second ticket is a shame. He should sue, I am a large
man and I have flown your airline and I will never fly your airline again. And you Ain`t the fashion police. Work on getting your flights on time and not loseing luggage.
Paul, what do you mean? Do you mean there may be a time I face a similar encounter with a customer like Kyla whenever I go to work for SWA?
Listen to all the prudes come out of the woodwork. Children do not become damaged from seeing a woman's thighs or even nudity for that matter. Half of the people that make some of these comments would love to see us dressed in ankle length wool swimsuits to the beach. Prudishness is the disgusting attitude, not showing a little skin. Why? because its deny's the basic worth of the individual no matter if they are young and beautiful or old and wrinkly. Clothes do not make the man or woman, the man or woman does by their actions and values.
I do applaud SWA for making the appologies and particularily from the head of their business, but i am less than impressed with their effort to capitalize fron their mistake. That is a little in bad taste.
I doubt I will fly with you anytime soon, but at least you made the effort.
wow! It took two talk shows and a million blogs to do the right thing. Then, you offer her 1 round free trip. Not to mention the other woman that had the same issue. Oh well, she didn't file a complaint, so who cares right! SWA started their blog trying to demean the girl.Explaining to their readers that the skirt was so low she had issues on the Today Show. Hippocrates! Now, a 360 turn. If your lucky get in on the promotion for ten days for wearing short skirts. Maybe the women that wear to much clothing will be bumped off or asked to shorten their bust line. SWA should give Kelly a job!
By the way, this incident is not, & I repeat not, stopping me from wanting to work for SWA! When I will get on, I don't know-but I will. :)
SW had every right to prevent Kyla Ebbert from flying as dressed. Any fashion criticism aside, I do not want someone wearing a too short skirt with no panties to be walking past me at eye level or squeezing past me to get to the window seat any more than I want some mother changing her babies diaper on the tray table next to mine. It just isn't hygenic-especially in the confined space of an airplane. If SW is planning to allow such behavior, then every row should be stocked with Lysol and alcohol wipes.
I am glad Southwest addressed this issue apologizing to the affected passenger. To tell you the truth, I was disappointed the fashion/conservative police invaded southwest, my favorite airline for many years. Now I know it was a questionable judgment by one of your employees which was quickly corrected and not a company wide policy. Congratulations,
A. Molina
Whatever happened to "we reserve the right to refuse service..." Yeah, like Dave Chappelle said, "if you don't want to be mistaken for a cop, then don't dress like one..." Would she have been offended if someone offered her fifty bucks for her services? Gone on TV to defend herself then? I doubt it! SWA does things differently and those who don't like it have other choices, SWAs biggest fans over the years have got to be their stockholders. Has anyone noticed that they are the only profitable airline? Obviously poor miss Kyla was SO embarassed that she felt the need to make a huge issue out of it....cha CHING! Could you see the dollar signs in her eyes as she spoke??? You bet if I still looked like that I would wear the same outfit...TO THE CLUB! I like to hide behind the whole freedom of speech and this is America thing too...I can say or do (or wear) anything I want but how dare you say anything to me! All rights belong to me, not you!
For once I thought a company would take a stand for moral decency and do the right thing. I found myself becoming a huge fan of Southwest airlines because it seemed you would not back down from the stand you were taking on modesty. I guess we will just continue to see a decline in the morality of our culture and continue to wonder why all the horrible acts of our society take place. "Wake up America", each day is growing worse and worse!
Way to go Southwest!
Some people these days have no class! I can put up with the pajamas and slippers that people wear on the planes,..... but I don't like it.
I can NOT put up with slutty girls that think not wearing underwear on a public plane is sexy.
Southwest is getting alot of flack because they are the Luv Airline and the Flight Attendants used to wear hotpants...go back and look at those outfits. Those are way more conservative that half the teenage girls that got on my flight tonight.
Put it away girls!...
And boys, I don't want to see swear words on the t-shirt you got in Mexico..or the cartoon characers having sex in 30 different positions on your t-shirt!
Please! Get some class!
Do any of you people have children?
I understand that it is Southwest's nature to apologize and move on, but I have to say I am a little disappointed since there was really nothing to apologize for. A young, immature woman made a silly decision, encouraged by a lawyer, I am sure. It appears from what I have seen, this is not the only bad decision she has made. It also appears she will make lots of money getting paid to expose herself. America ... you gotta love it.
Anyway, what your employees did was reasonable and, from all informed accounts, was done is a discrete manner. At worst, it certainly was not as rude and vile as many of the comments you have received on this blog and others in recent days.
Oh well, I am tired of hearing about this. I hope everyone else is.
I am upset that Southwest caved in for Kyla Ebbert. While the outcome will be a mini skit sale I think Kayla and others could dress more appropriate even in hot weather as she claimed on the news.
I have noting against a good looking woman dress a certain way but in certain situations that should not be the case as I will point out below.
Everywhere today you see women dressing skimpy even in places of worship where is the respect for oneÃ
I believed the majority of people wanted SWA to recognize their shortcoming and do what was right, apologize and state their view. As for those who disagree with SWA's "now" position, I think you need to realize you don't always get what you want. Air travel is not a very structured or orderly mode of transportation when it comes to people and if you cannot accept that people have a right to travel in whatever clothing they feel, as long as it does not violate law or create a safety issue, then I am sorry to say that you should not be traveling by air. This is always going to be unless the Government decides otherwise. If that happens then I will be addressing my fellow passengers as Comrade.
I wouldnt ride your airline if it waw a free flight. I'd hate to be asked to cover my ankle because my sock wasn't high enough to cover my ankle. What a bunch of bulls$#t. Most of my friends who USED your airline have already switched to american, so, be as prudish as you want, its your airline. But don't whine if you don't get new flyers.
Shame on you. You caved, or was it just a well planned marketing strategy?
You are purveryors of service. It is your responsibility to set the standards by which you serve or refuse service to the public.
Your apology and subsequent "skimpy" fares scheme contribute to the continuing freefall of incivility. You have lost this customer (I thought I was entitled to fly unmolested....inappropriate attire in a public venue is an assault on my sensibilities.) You have lost the patronage of my friends.
We will not soon forget that you chose attention grabbing headlines over good taste.
I have to roll my eyes in disgust with people like Kayla Ebberts. She only wanted Attention and she knows it. Why else do people like her dress like she did the day she flew. I attract attention by dressing classy and stylish...not trashy and cheap! A person of her intelligence does not deserve any apology - just a lesson in how to be a classy lady! Sorry that Southwest had to go through all of this. I hate to say but the customer is not always right. Thank you Southwest for running a great airline. You are my airline of choice when booking all my future travel.
I don't know about the one other girl, maybe she had a similar experiance, maybe not. I'm waiting for the throngs of people that will now "come forward" with their stories. and stories they will be.
Some idiots are sure to come out of the woodwork and claim they have been permanantly damaged by SWA emploees.........sheesh.
Some free legal advise to all. If someone says you wronged them and with thier lawyer by their side, ask only for an apology...........throw yourself at their feet and beg forgiveness! It will save you millions in the long run.
All I want to do is get from one place to another. I shouldn't have to have somebody's hoo-hah in my face.
Dress like a slut, get treated like a slut.
I applaud Gary Kelly. It was a very smart of him to apologize and at the same time announce a miniskirt-and hot pants sale. He showed that he listened and responded to a customerÃ
I understand all this all happened in july so why is it on Dr Phil and in the news. Frankly after watching the young lady sit down after showing her outfit to all of us in tv land amd seeing her underwear I am just glad she had a pair on. Young wemen seem to have no respect for them selves anymore. When you are traveling on a plane with older people and young children show a little respect . Young people are so into their selves anymore they could care less about other people feeling. South West keep up the good work and stand behind your employees.
While I don't give a flip about the clothing brouhaha, I have yet to find any "skimpy" fares that you are touting due to SKIRTGATE.
If you wanted to impress the public and overcome the negative public perception of your staff's poor judgement shown on this one fateful flight, you would lower fares for a limited time to fares that customers (current and future) would consider skimpy.
I am so happy to be a share holder. I only wish I had bought sooner. Thank you for running a great company and for your seemingly endless sense of humor.
Colleen, Please tell your customers what the rules are and then enforce them - with the goodwill and humor that is unique to Southwest. Even restaurants post "No shoes - No Shirt - No Service" signs.
But, as a long time Southwest customer, I don't want to be confronted (and never have been) by flight crews enforcing their own opinions. That would be contrary to the style that has made Southwest successful, and could infest Southwest flight crews with the dominatrix mentality present on other airlines. (Many of us have experienced the "Go ahead and argue with me, and I'll slap your butt in jail" attitude, but not on Southwest.)
Finally, to passengers who are easily offended, get over it. Your dress code does not apply to others. The only rules that apply are those imposed by the airline. If that doesn't suit you, you can always drive to your destination and your rules will apply!
Well, Southwest, despite alot of noise and fury, you ended up getting it right as you always do. Self-deprecating humor and a commitment to refrain from policing flyers' outfits was exactly what most of your long time customers were looking for. The extremists on both sides of the issue will never be happy, but the rest of us appreciate the way you ended up handling this.
Southwest got its start by advertising and providing stewardesses with miniskirts and go-go boots. They were very short skirts too, you can see the old ads on Youtube. I don't understand what Southwest is trying to accomplish by holding passengers to a higher standard then themselves.
Don't have time to read all pages but in case no one has mentioned it..... maybe a bunch of women need to show up for their next flight wearing burqas. Then again maybe they would not clear TSA security..... worth a try :-)
As I heard not to long ago regarding Sean Penn's activist role "Shut up and act"
Same applies to Southwest "Shut up and fly the planes safely and be price competitive"
Here's what I said September 7...
Shame on you SouthwestÃ
People need to get over nudity period. Nudity and skimpy uncoverings do not equal a lack of morality. Its just someone's body. Just because I uncover my legs in front of you does not mean I want to have intimate relations with you. People that suggest what young people wear today is "slutish" etc. Need to raise themselves out of that horrible prudish attitude. Children do not care about all of this if they are raised correctly, they do not even bat an eye. Its the adults that get bent out of shape. Again bare skin does not equal evil.
Look and enjoy someone's beauty if you want, but get your minds out of the gutter. Yes we do wear things to get attention, all people do to some extent. There is a line between enjoying the beauty in others and "perving" after them. If you do not like what you see avert your eyes, its not that hard. Pick up a magazine and enjoy your own personal space.
I am not suggesting we should allow nudity on airlines (although that might solve a security issue or two) but just making a point about its relationship to "skimpy" dress.
Thank you Southwest! I support you 100%! As a frequent passenger since 1978 and a stock owner since 1996, I applaud you and your employees for being what you have always been - First Class!
PLEASE stand up for yourself!! The young lady was cute, tan, etc. but if a creepy person sat next to her she would sure expect the airline staff to do something about it then. There are places where this casual dress is appropriate, and places where it is not! My 16 year old daughter travels frequently and would not wear such a short skirt and I as her mother would not let her! It is common sense!! Why does your staff not wear the mini skirts now? Because it is inappropriate! The young lady and her parents are being very very self centered! In today's political correctness, the airline staff didn't just single this young lady out without some (I am sure unintended) provocation! I hope you don't fire anyone, and I would appreciate some modified dress code! And for the record, I've not flown your airline, and in general am not a huge supporter of the airlines these days!
Some of these comments are disproportionately angry, and the notion of changing a company's entire travel policy because Southwest exercised subjective discretion is ridiculous. Whoever is making that choice should be fired, themselves! Unless, of course, her attire would be permissible in their own corporate dress code.
Listen, comparing the request for this woman to "cover up" and facism in the grocery store is silly. First of all, when you're in the grocery store, you can move along and avoid staring at the bare naked porn-star wannabe's by moving to another aisle. That is not the case when you're on a plane. You're stuck next the the harlot, and it was right for Southwest to ask her to cover up.
I'm disappointed that SW apologized to her, because it is an afront to the rest of the travelers who were offended by this one selfish tramp.
I wonder whether the company would have asked a Muslim man dressed in Jihad garb to change his look in order for the rest of the passengers to feel at ease on the flight. I doubt it. Too much political PC crap for corporations to bear. Breasts, thighs, women's bodies... not good. Well, what if there's a fat guy on the plane with man breasts? Do we tell him to put on a jacket? What if Ms. X dressed in a burka goes to Vegas when it's 104 degrees out. Ms. Y is dressed in a low cut dress under the same circumstances. Which seems strange to you?
Also, when did the men in this nation leave their balls at home? I can't imagine any man asking a women like her to cover up. There is something wrong with him. After all, we get to pay a lot of money to fly in a cramped seat, get served crappy food, and the like, so I don't mind some T&A on the flight. For those of you who don't like it, don't look at it. Conservatives like me, yes some of us actually like the freedom that women have to dress sexy, have been telling liberals for years that we don't like their rock lyrics and we've been told, change the station, don't listen, etc. Now, for you conservatives and liberals who don't like women dressing sexy, move to the Middle East and see how wonderful the attitudes towards dress are over there. Women who don't like the sexy clothing of these young women are usually prudes who try to impose an inane social agenda on the rest of us or look are built like garage doors.
Mini Skirt Fares! I LUV LUV LUV it! You're a PR genius, Gary!
Can I please please have an interview now?
Nicole, still your dedicated applicant.
I weigh 300 pounds. If I show up dressed like a Hooters waitress, with a micromini, an exposed midriff, no panties, and a big stuffed bra, can I too get a free ride? That seems to be the lesson of this sorry episode.
You should have told her to cover up, quit being a strumpet for attention and stuck to it. By the way, this hooker's claim that she's a 'student' and flying all the way to Phoenix for a doctor's appointment was pretty suspect. She probably had a client to service.
I think Southwest has handled the backlash with grace and aplomb. Since I don't know how short the skirt was, I don't know if whether the blanket was appropriate or not. I do think flight attendants put safety first, but they also attempt to make all the passengers comfortable. For those who have no issues with various states of undress, I think Southwest should perhaps add a "clothing optional" flight. I won't be on it because I can just imagine the possible sights as folks reach up into the overhead bins, and if there's turbulence, LOOK OUT.
And who can fault a corporate executive who appreciates legs, whether on a person or a story. . .? BTW, I have no affiliation with SW and I fly in pretty casual dress so please don't institute any "button down" or "formal attire" flights. The seats are not designed for prom dresses.
I have flown SW for years but I have to admit how this skirt-gate was handled was a bit ... let's just say wrong.
First you try to kick some one off a plane for their attire, when SW has no dress code. Then SW stands behind the mis-guided flight attendants actions. Then SW does a back handed apology and uses the entire incident as a marketing ploy.
Can't wait to see your next marketing gimmick when a fat, drunk or out of control passengers is asked to leave next.
So much for taking the high road by just admitting it was a mistake all the way around. Instead SW felt the need to exploit it. GEEZ.
Please remember you are in a customer service industry. I actually flew SW because it was different from the rest. You tried to be more caring to your customers and had fun in the process.
This incident and the exploitative marketing gimmick just really shows ... you are no different from the rest and that is sad.
I want to applaud Southwest Airlines employees for standing up for decency in the 'short skirt' case and asking this woman to cover up. I am just sorry you offered an apology when one was not needed. I am totally offended by the indecent exposure of man's or woman's private bodily parts to the public, whether its on a plane, the shopping mall or wherever. Some areas of the human anatomy should not be for public display.
Yes, I guess it is their human right to do so, but too bad they don't have enough self-respect for themselves and others to cover up. Yes, consider me a prude and happy to be one. That's my right.
Ms. Donna E.
Regardless of what is determined as obscene or appropriate dress there is the fundamental question of how much can companies infringe on individual freedom of expression and mandate the choices that individuals make. As a business I'm sure that this is a difficult line to walk between individual rights and the perceived "greater good" of your other customers. However, as a customer, the Kayla customer story sends a "big brother" message.
Every "next" generation has been seen as provocative, different or inflammatory and Generation Y is no different. What *is* different about this generation is that they have more disposable income, are less influenced by traditional media (and more by word of mouth), and are looking to work for and endorse authentic leaders and companies that reflect their individualism. Kayla and generation Y is not going away and if you lose them, you are letting go of a customer segment projected to be larger than the baby boomers.
I feel as though this situation has been blown completely out of proportion and that this customer is only bringing it up now (2 months later) to gain financially...
As an 82 year old grandmother, with grandkids ranging from 19 - 1, I am very pleased that the "family oriented" SWA took a stand!
Even during tv interviews with this customer, they had to block areas of inappropriateness. On a plane, a blanket was used for the same purpose. Maybe the tv show will get sued next...
HAPPY SWA FLYING CUSTOMER
Sue
WOW - look at the mixed feelings - I don't think ANYONE is right or wrong. Southwest did what it had to do. What OTHER company would have done the same??? HELLO - Mattel? Wal-mart? Come on people!!! OH - and what company could turn a negative into a positive better than Southwest??? WOW! As for you frequent flyers - do you even KNOW the history of Southwest? This has happened once before with a well-known slogan the airline took from a smaller company. It ended up pretty much the same way - making light of an interesting situation! APPLAUSE and STANDING OVATION Southwest! I went online after hearing of this just to buy a ticket for SUPPORT! I feel comfortable to fly with you - you ALWAYS do the RIGHT THING!!! Just check out the stats for Customer Complaints at www.dot.gov - it's all there - PROOF!
I've been reading the comments on this, and not all ,but the majority of the people for this sleazy - dressed girl,not surprisingly are men. Maybe if you men didn't encourage this kind of dressing by all your "staring", they wouldn't do it as much. I don't fly, but I wouldn't want to have to be stuck with a slutty girl, and YES, even in the stores or restaurant it IS inappropiate dress. Decent people don't go to those places to see those trashy women. They go because they need to feed their families. Those harlots make us lose our appetites.Why should we be forced to stand in line at a store with our children,being exposed to that? And as for breastfeeding: I breast fed four children, and never once had to "expose" myself to an audience. Yes, it is natural-but so isn't going to the bathroom, and would you want to do that in front of everyone,just because it's natural? These poor excuses for women are only using their children to show off! They are the sleazy type!
Dear Southwest,
Unless there is an emergency, I am done with Southwest. After many years of using AND talking up your airline, I am done with both. If you were smart, you would have addressed this issue immediately, with much more than just cute slogans. All the hard work that Mr. K. did to build an example of
"a great buisness" was just thrown away. I am now putting you guys in the same catagory as the guys that charge $30,000 for cars that don't even have
descent cup holders. Why don't you change your name to "Puritan Airlines"
"Some have said we've gone from wearing our famous hot pants to having hot flashes at Southwest, but nothing could be further from the truth. As we both know, this story has great legs, but the true issue here is that you are a valued Customer, and you did not get an adequate apology."
It's amazing to me that Southwest considers making sexist comments "apologies." Is this truly what "typical Southwest style" is? If so, your CEO frightens me more than your onboard "Morals Police." Kyla and the other woman who was ridiculed are owed apologies, but IMHO, this one hardly passes muster.
I applaud South Western for trying to maintain a family friendly atmosphere. I see that have apologized, but why? Many of us are tired of always being on the defensive to protect our children from provocative dress and behavior. Thanks South Western. Please don't stop or they'll soon be getting on there nude!
I read the letter of apology, and whoever is the CEO of SouthWest is apparently not a very intelligent individual who does not know how to lead with responsibility. The letter of apology was so half-hearted. Besides, even if it was triggered by a customer complaint, the flight attendants should have told simply turn the other way, it does not require a harvard MBA to figure that out. i hope South West gets sued, and you know that Kyla Ebbert is going to win. (Below is a text of the apology)
The text of the apology Southwest Airlines sent to passenger Kyla Ebbert to be read on a Friday taping of the Dr. Phil Show:
"From a company that really loves public relations, touchÃ
Please don't say you are sorry to anyone. It is about time someone, or a company say enough to the half dress dimwits in this country who walk around half naked for the world to see because they think they are all that. I for one am tired that my children are exposed to an eyefull of their private parts. If I ever get the urge to look at naked people I will go see them at their job I'm sure they will be at the nearest lounge or hooters.
Good for Southwest Airlines and too bad this so-called "lady" was embarrassed! She should have been for her inappropiate outfit. It seems that there is a contest going on who can dress in the lowest cut tops and shortest skirts. What is the point these girls are trying to make? I only can guess!!!! It's refreshing that this airlines took a stand. Enough is enough!
I feel sorry for the passenger who has a mother who doesn't know how to direct her daughter to proper attire. Parents like her mom should be ashamed of themselves. They need to learn to grow up as well.
With your apology at Southwest, should NBC apologize for having to cloud up the screen so we couldn't tell if the all but undress woman was wearing underwear?
No apology was necessary. I am glad you seek not to offend, but come on if I had to sit next to her, you would be hearing from me big time. Would I bet the same appology? If I wanted to see what a hooter's girl wears or doesn't where, I know where to go. I chose not to. IF I EVER GET ON YOUR AIRLINE AND SEE SOMEONE DRESSED IN SLUTTY CLOTHES LIKE SHE HAD ON, YOU BETTER BE MOVING ME TO FIRST CLASS ON YOUR AIRLINE OR ANOTHER! I hope the seats are disinfected as well.
The whole situation could have been a great P.R. piece for you as an airline...you blew it!
I am humored at you lack of a spine for a CEO! I would ask that you step down for inability to stand for a moral issue. Your credibility is is gone!
Dear Colleen C. Barrett,
I have been a Southwest Airlines customer / passenger since the 1980Ã
I just can't help thinking there is more to this story. Things just don't add up at all!!
You guys are freaking nuts. all this crap from an airline that had there girls wear hot pants and whose slogan was "we really shake our tail for you"
There was NOTHING wrong with what THIS girl was wearing on that flight. GET A LIFE! SWA screwed on this deal and they screwed up bad. Unless your trying to look up her skirt , and even thing you arent going to see a thing.
There have been a hell of lot worse attire on SWA flights that needed some attention this wasn't one of them.
You should be ashamed of yourselves for not respecting the decisions of your employees. You hired them to represent your company and to ensure a good name for Southwest. Then, when they stand on moral grounds, you belittle them and their decision by making a joke and an ill-advised attempt at PR.
I agree with Mike and hope sincerely that you will bend over for your customers who prefer modesty as much as you have for your half dressed patron.
To the flight attendant who stood up and promoted modesty: Thank you for doing a good job. Maybe you and Colleen Barrett should change places. It seems you have some good common sense.
One last thing Ms. Barrett...you lost another customer.
To Colleen and Gary --
Congratulations! You both have demonstrated the kind of leadership skills that differentiate bosses from great leaders. You have listened to the collective voices of your Customers and determined that, in hindsight, an Employee's decision might not have been the very best one possible.
In your typical style, you've used class and humor to issue an apology with a level of seriousness as befits the original situation. Your response has been measured and appropriate given the circumstances, and I have to assume that in similar Southwest style, your Employee will not be drawn and quartered for exercising the discretionary authority delegated to him, but simply advised that in the future, a different approach might be less likely to inflame the passions of those who wish to make a mountain out of a molehill.
For those of you who are now jumping on Southwest's case for reversing their original stance, stop and consider one thing. Which approach displays more maturity and "business sense": deciding that, no matter what, you will stick with your original position, OR pausing long enough amidst the finger-pointing and ridiculous rhetoric flying around to admit that things might have been handled better and "owning" the error? I sure liked the old days in basketball when the player who had a foul called on him took it like a grown-up and held his hand in the air to acknowledge that he was wrong. Now, most of the prima donnas display enough acting skills at looking innocent or 'framed' to earn themselves an Academy Award.
I'm proud of Colleen and Gary for holding up their hands and facing the heat.
Kim
External Blog Boy, who appreciates the courage of his friends at SWA :)
Herb ... please don't cave to this bimbo. Our culture has coarsened enough ... no, too much!
Now this is more like it! Southwest should have taken this approach as soon as the incident became National News! Glad to see SWA still has a sence of humor and the ability to appologize when necessary!
I just wanted to comment (and this relates to the Ebberts issue) in that when I fly Southwest, I feel more often than not, that the employees are treating passengers like children instead of customer service delivered with a sense of warmth, friendliness, individual pride, and company spirit. I experienced that wonderful culture people wrote about years ago, but as of late have seen more of a maternal culture. I see passengers being "told" what to do, instead of being asked. It seems that employees are giving the impression that the customer is privileged to be flying. Company pride is wonderful, but what happened to the customer treatment?
As a business aviation graduate, I have always admired your culture. Maybe my sites were set too high from reading books like "Nuts!" I still admire those that have managed to carry on the old culture and your safety record is impeccable, but through my experiences, I don't fly for the customer service. If I fly, it is for the schedule, price, and safety record.
I still hold you in high regard for your dedication to your employees and safety, and I admire you for your apology. It's hard to hold onto such a great culture through the times, politics, and real world situations . . . here's hoping the next time I need to fly SWA I encounter that wonderful culture I read about.
Lets be real about the Kyla Ebbert Story!
Simply Southwest Airlines is the best around! Nine times out of Ten when I walk up to there ticket counter I am greated by a friendly face. I just love how they are always having a good time being themselfs! As a business owner I always stick by what my employees do. Think about it folks, when you have a family and you want to go on vacation, what is the first thing you look for when purchasing a ticket? A cheap Ticket! So when flying with a airline like Southwest which is a low cost carrier, you our going to have a good amount of young children.I also look at the other side of the story, who our you to tell me what I can or can't wear! As a 23 year old male, I am quickly aroused by someone that dresses like Kyla and supports it. AMERICA, who is really in the right!! All I really want is good Customer Service, and like I said in my first sentence that is what Southwest does. When the day comes when I walk up to there Customer Service desk and not see One out of Ten of there Agents smile (like most of the other carriers) thats when I will look for a airline that will give me that. Colleen, you Rock!!
Anothony
It's seems it's all been said already and much better than I could; but I want to say I LOVE THE SPIN put on the skirt issue. It is clever, funny and makes the statement, without being obnoxious about just how out of control, silly and nasty situations can become. In the entire scheme of things, the world issues, it is petty - but again, love the spin SWA used to address and not ignore the event.
Am a customer who flies SWA whenever possible; as do my friends and family. Have experienced service above and beyond several times; once lost a cell phone, SWA traced it, found it and returned it on return flight; once had to change return flight, no problem and always pleasant; the list goes on and on.
Keep up the GOOD WORK
Maryann
Lovely Kyla (have you seen the bags under her eyes and those strangely hardened features? She looks a lot older than 23) now says the airline is exploiting her for its 'skimpy' fares. This bimbo loudly sought out attention in the media, parading herself around on talk shows and now is upset that she got it.
The whole issue of her 'victimhood' needs to be looked at a little closer. I understand she had the top hiked up to her boobs and was exposing her whole midsection to the world. If a 300-pounder like me had done that, you know what the reaction would be, so right there she's calling for special bimbo's rights to expose her belly in the quest for either attention or business. And what would the reaction be if a 300-pound man with a hairy belly did it? Why the double standards?
Second, if you visit her myspace page, she's a self-declared 'swinger' and fan of Britney Spears which is probably informing her irrational toddler-like tantrums. Like Spears, she is demanding attention and screaming when she gets it. She also calls herself 'easy' on her myspace page, and has offered to send photos (clothed? unclothed?) to anyone who finds a fake site on herself (Don't try to change it, Kyla, it's cached). From reading her site, one can conclude that at the very best, this self-described 'swinger' seems to be in the market for a rich man to marry, and in the meantime, seems to be advertising herself to anyone interested in sampling her. Meanwhile, she has told the media she flies 100 times a year, which is awfully strange for a 'student.'
Let's get that straight again - a Hooters waitress cum 'student' - where is she enrolled that lets her fly in out of class 100 times of year, let alone the Hooters establishment, which for all its T&A, is nevertheless a business that requires regular employees. She flashes her belly on flights, and advertises herself for anyone who wants to read it on the Internet that she is both 'easy' and a 'swinger.' Her own words.
What she seems to be really upset about is that her indecent exposure has been hampered by customer complaints and that's probably bad for her business. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to wonder if 100 flights a year flashing one's belly on each flight is a way of trawling for business from lecherly businessmen on the road.
With her threatening a lawsuit and her greed for a cash settlement whetted, Southwest should investigate what this self-described 'swinger' was really doing on all those flights. She probably used her special way of 'dressing' as ads for an unlicensed and illegal business.
When I first heard this news story, I was impressed that a company like Southwest was taking a stand in defense of moral values and decency. I was disappointed with your apology, Southwest- that you didnÃ
Thank you Southwest for your apology, late as it may be. I think that the flight crew overstepped their boundaries when they chastised Kyla for her attire. I do feel that some people (mainly women) need to cover more up but Kyla's outfit as I saw on the Ellen show was not that bad.
Dear Southwest:
In regards to your apology and then "skimpy sale": I, a long time customer, now will probably do everything in my power never to fly your airline again. I will also instruct all who I know to do the same. That was one of the most morally reprehensible turns I have seen a company make. You have thrown off moral decency in a futile attempt to preserve pseudo-customer relations. Children fly your airline, and you now have to answer to millions of parents nationwide. You have lost my support.
I think it is funny that most comment sections on the web have the most recently published comments on top. Here, it is the reverse AND the first comment "happens to be" one supporting the decision. Funny.
Are your guys (no sic) in advertising there clueless? Rather than letting this thing drop, you did it again with this ad campaign. Geez. You deserve all the crap you get. If you really want to make a statement, create a dress code for the airline, publish it and then enforce it.
Also, someone needs to reign in the CEO you said this:
"Some have said we've gone from loving hot pants to having hot flashes but nothing could be farther from the truth," said Southwest's CEO Gary Kelly. "The publicity caught us with our pants down, quite frankly. The story has such great legs, but we have an even better sense of humor, so we're going to jump out there and lower our fares to match the mini skirts we've all been hearing so much about." www.bizjournals.com
Dumb, so dumb! Not to mention to-the-core sexist.
Whatever happened to our ability to say "NO," I don't find that acceptable? Frankly, I'm tired of having half dressed women (and men) shoved down my throat, and that of my 10-year-old son, no matter where I go. Wake up women! It's time to stop being so shallow that you think you have to be half dressed to get some man's attention. If that's the only way that he's interested in you, then you need to realize that he's not looking at you as a person, but as a plaything. Southwest was 100% correct to stand up and decide what dress is appropriate on their airline, just as the rest of us should be able to stand up and say what is appropriate in our restaurant, our office, our place of business and even in our schools. "Individual" rights have gotten out of control, where we're all forced to deal with uncomfortable situations so that someone's individual rights aren't violated. What about my rights to not have to sit next to some woman who doesn't have enough class to know how to dress. Believe me, it's tough raising a 10-year-old today and trying to teach him right from wrong when he has to see women displaying such poor taste on the bus, on the plane, in the shopping center, etc. Women -- put your clothes on and try attracting men with that brain of yours. Rock hard bodies don't last forever, and if you think that will get you through in life, it's time to wake up. And men, stop treating women as if they are nothing more than eye candy. Try showing some respect for women -- who are mothers, daughters, sisters, cousins, aunts, and friends.
To those who are saying they'll never fly SWA again & they'll tell others not to-I think that's rather ridiculous. Don't let this incident stop you from flying SWA. I honestly feel it's the best airline! Let's focus on the many good things the Company does for their Customers & the community. I LUV SWA! :)
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Cheers to the person who wrote about Kyla's my space web page. Kayla looks like she is TOO busy to be a student and is busy being a swinger per her myspace. And someone like her deserves an apology.....NO WAY!
I am sorry that Southwest felt they owed her an apology.....Maybe they should have checked her My space page before and saw what they were dealing with.
Kim:
No, Colleen and company should have STOOD UP for their employee who did nothing wrong, rather than putting their fingers in the wind and deciding to reverse course based on public opinion.
What is popular is not always right. What is right is not always popular.
I'll still fly Southwest, but I'm bitterly disappointed by Collen's LACK of leadership here.
colleen, i feel the flight attendant who did this should be fired, i saw the outfit on today and athis girl was dressed fine. i have seen worst. as a retired airline employee. travel quite a bit. years ago we had a dress coat, like suit,tie.
my airline no longer around. so i purchase real tickets. i also seen web sights and another flt attendant did same thing. also you pick on fat people. what;s with your airline. once again you should fire those employees for giving you all this bad pr. some of ur females flt atten dress in short skirts and tight shorts.
I have always found once I sit down in my seat it is real hard to see any of the other passengers, let alone what they are wearing.
If you all think what this girl was wearing is bad, you obviously don't get out much, trust me there is way worse out there.
Is "Keith" a professionally-trained member of the "Fashion Police?" What are his credentials to make subjective decisions about a customer's clothing? Is he imposing his own values (and dress code) on SWA customers? Is he still "at it" or has he (hopefully) learned from this experience? What training and/or policy revisions has SWA undertaken to make sure its employees don't repeat this major customer relations blunder? If I were an SWA investor, I'd be "after the hide" of an employee and his supervisors (including Colleen Barrett) for endangering my investment.
My wife and/or I fly SWA regularly (usually, at least once a month, round trip). We choose SWA because of the low prices, frequent flights to our destinations and (usually) friendly and helpful employees (that's feedback for your marketing department.)
This incident will not stop us from flying SWA because of the above reasons. I expect that most SWA employees would not have taken the same actions that "Keith" did. However, the incident has diminshed our respect for the airline.
Its sad what some people will do for attention and even sadder what some people believe. If you would have seen excatly how that outfit was worn your thoughts would have been different because it was adjusted different. She just wanted to get attention and get her name known so she would have a shot a playboy or other magazines like that. She just happened to pick on SWA to get a low price. And to compare being afraid to fly because of you might be wearing the wrong color or socks, come on what are you thinking that is a dumb compairson and you know it. Did anyone even she her ranchy myspace? That tells it all. She should be saying sorry to SWA for using them to try to boost her x-rated career and SHAME,SHAME,SHAME on the rest of you for helping her suceed that is being just a bad as she is, like feeding fuel to the fire.
In my opinion you should have let her board the plane, but warned her that her outfit was inappriate. I do not like the idea of her hitting the talk show circuit and playing victim. Lots of people get screwed in many different situations. Why didn't she write to a SWA official instead of showing a "who is me" attitude?
I was disappointed to see Southwest didn't stick to their guns on the inappropriate clothing issue. I for one have flown on one flight where
a women was so scantily dressed it was embarassing. I mentioned then
that Southwest should institute a dress code because some people
don't have any sense. I really am tired of seeing peoples underwear.
Maybe you should turn the air down so people will have to cover up : )
Congrats to the SWA employee for exercising discernment in the best interest of all the customers. The line of decency and propriety for public appearance continually needs to be enforced, and we can't rely on the government or courts to do it.
I was on an SWA flight once with a then-famous female actor of Bay Watch. The whole plane erupted in laughter when she came out of the restroom just before landing, having stripped down to a bikini...I guess to make a grand appearance at her destination.
If a woman wants to expose her body in public, then she needs to be prepared for public reaction, which in a sensible society, is to encourage her not to do so.
What is right is not always popular.
What is popular is not always right.
I'm disappointed that you bent to the pressure.
Take a stand, doggone it, for what is appropriate!
I'm glad I had boys!
Bu-Bye:
Tina
Ferguson v. Gies:
"The man who goes either by himself or with his family to a public place must expect to meet and mingle with all classes of people. He cannot ask, to suit his caprice or prejudice or social views, that this or that man shall be excluded because he does not wish to associate with them. He may draw his social line as closely as he chooses at his home, or in other private places, but he cannot in a public place carry the privacy of his home with him, or ask that people not as good or great as he is shall step aside when he appears."
Unruh Civil Rights Act (California):
"All persons within the jurisdiction of this state are free and equal, and no matter what their sex, race, color, religion, ancestry, or national origin are entitled to the full and equal accommodations, advantages, facilities, privileges, or services in all business establishments of every kind whatsoever.
This section shall not be construed to confer any right or privilege on a person which is conditioned or limited by law or which is applicable alike to persons of every sex, color, race, religion, ancestry, or national origin."
In re Theodore William Cox on Habeas Corpus. California Reporter, 90, 1970, p. 24.:
"Neither municipality nor shopping center may exclude individuals who wear long hair or unconventional dress ... merely because of such characteristics."
Keep going Corporate America and you will find yourself in Court losing the case.
As for the people that post against Kyla and her outfit, I really hate your...perfume, hairspray, bad breath...whatever. Now, can I ask the airline to change that? I think not. Why do you, in all of your prudness, get to have an "offensive" outfit kicked off the flight and I have to smell your bad breath or hear you snore for the next 2 hours?
Mind your own business. I have to, to put up with your faults. Right?
As a loyal and passionate Southwest customer I was very dismayed by the Kyla Ebbert mini-skirt embarrassment.
I was even more dismayed at Coleen Barrett's defense of the employee. If an employee made a mistake, than management should acknowledge the fact and apologize for the company's (employee's) misconduct.
If Ms. Ebbert was not arrested for indecent exposure by the police than a Southwest employee should not have inserted his/her own dress code in place of the company's employee operating procedures.
An issue like this mocks the very heart of Southwest's "fun" image and it may take a long time for the harm done to be repaired.
I give CEO Gary Kelly a lot of credit for coming forward and apologizing in the manor he did for the mistakes that were made by the employee and Ms. Barrett.
Having re-read this "apology" several times, I'm not sure that my previous opinion of, "It took a long time, but thanks for finally apologizing" stands.
It's written in a flippant manner, and tries to turn the whole incident into a marketing campaign. While I can, to a certain extent, appreciate the "creativity" that was involved in that (I work in marketing), I think it's in poor taste to try to be funny in your apology, and to turn it into a promotional tool.
I've flown with SWA in the past, and enjoyed the experience, but I doubt that I'll fly with you again after this.
Clear are the differing opinions we've had on what's right and what's wrong and why. My feeling has been that the Southwest employee acted inappropriately. The passenger was wearing something both socially acceptable and common, especially given her age. I can't assume she boarded the plane with any knowledge she was offensive to anyone. Having read through the various comments, I do find that, though my opinion is unchanged, I do respect the differing views, especially of moms (and dads) just trying to raise their kids the best they could. My feeling has become more focused with respect to the passenger being publicly (on the plane and with the knowledge of others) embarrassed than on whether her attire was acceptable or not. As a result, I believe Southwest did the right thing in apologizing. None of us should have to be humiliated because someone else doesn't like something about us. Chances are that there is someone "out there" that doesn't like something about each of us. Chances are, somewhere and at some time, very possibly oblivious to us, we've offended someone. I wouldn't feel bad if a person, for themselves or on behalf of someone else, let me know I've offended someone, even if I had no intention of doing such. What would bother me is if that person acted in a way to embarrass me. I wouldn't want that to happen to me and I don't like seeing it happen to someone else. One writer wrote that men should better respect women - they are our daughters, wives, sisters and mothers (have to read to get proper context and not an exact quote but I get the message). I agree completely. Yet we view the outcome differently. Not only do I have the opinion I do relatve to what happened, but I also have that view out of respect for my similarly aged daughters and how someone might interact with them (no, my daughters do not wear short skirts). The young woman should not have been humiliated and, even if done unintentionally, I feel Southwest acted correctly in making the apology. I'm sure you will teach your children to respect others and not try to embarrass or degrade, especially in the presence of others. Out of respect for those with differing opinions than mine, I would not object to a dress code that resulted in more conservative attire (though this may be very difficult). It's not an issue with me but I would certainly be in favor if it made others more comfortable/less offended without causing a significant infringement on the first group. Then, an individual would know what's acceptable in that setting and could be , if necessary, addressed discretely and courteously, not to mention with more objective basis, befoe he or she is in her or his seat and, like everyone else, just waiting for the plane to take off.
Joe
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That's... a pretty lame apology. Not only did you not say that your employee was in the wrong and did not say what, if any, actions were going to be taken, but you classlessly used it as a marketing gimmick. Poor form, bad taste, and possibly more embarrassing to the girls who your employees harassed to top it off. Great job, there, guys. Humor not appreciated.
You do not have a dress code and allowing any employee to enforce someone else's idea of what is appropriate is disgusting. I don't dress in skirts at all, but if I did - who gets to say if my thigh to knee length is appropriate or if I should be forced to wear it at mid calf or *gasp* if showing those scandalous ankles would just distress the person next to me too badly.
Apologize with a little splash of sincerity, please. And fire the next employee who decides to partake in a little "slut-shaming" publicly with your fabulous marketing strategies.
I like flying with you. I won't until you take a solid stand on this.
At first when I heard the story, I thought the ops agent overreacted. But now learning all the facts, I believe SWA should have backed their employees instead of backing down.
She was on the today show showing off her outfit and how it wasn't showing any skin, yet when she went to sit back down, it showed everything. They even had to blur it. Secondly, from the ops agent, she wasn't wearing that sweater either. Here's another example of someone trying to exploit others for their own profit.
People ask "how can SWA treat their customers that way?" First off, SWA doesn't need customers like that. Secondly, by doing nothing, they would have let down other customers on the flight, especially young children.
SWA might be the Walmart of the airline industry, but that doesn't mean it always has to put up with trailer park trash, someone has to draw the line somewhere.
To really see what kind of person she is, check out her myspace website before it was replaced by a more conservative one after the incident.
Ah, apologizing in typical Southwest style. Does that mean snarky and flippant? Because that's what this press release was. The original situation of some lone, apparently easily scandalized flight attendant passing fashion and moral judgments on a young woman was, in my opinion, offensive. But to respond with a joke is even more offensive to me. I can write off one person's actions, but this press release, as the voice of the company, proves a party line and a corporate environment I want nothing to do with (especially since they, apparently, want nothing to do with me). I even called the PR office number listed at on the press release and was treated dismissively and patronizingly.
I am a longtime Southwest flier who will never fly Southwest again. I was considering it after the initial incident but this press release sealed the deal. Shameful.
Yes, this faux apology clinched it for me. I will not be flying Southwest in future either for business or pleasure.
A genuine apology would have made a difference. But this apology mocks the victim and exploits her degradation to push Southwest's lower fares. As a customer and businesswoman who cares about the bottom line, it is nonetheless not worth it to me to sell out women's right to basic respect just to save a few bucks on air fare.
There are some comments on here that applaud the Southwest employees desire to promote modesty. But there was no modesty rule or dress code on Southwest airlines, and it was inappropriate for the employee to decide that his personal subjective judgment as to another adult's attire was the appropriate standard. The victim's Myspace page is also completely irrelevant; even if the employee had known about her myspace page (which I am sure he didn't), it would not change the fact that she has a right to be respected by customer service professionals.
Greetings,
After viewing an upcoming episode of The Dr. Phil Show, I believe the character of the young lady reveals more than her clothing, and that is revealing indeed. If anyone noticed her appearance on the Today Show with Matt Lauer, he seemed to be favoring her side of the issue as she was wearing the exact clothing she was wearing on the flight in question. Did anyone notice that the Today Show deliberately edited her skir in such a was so as to "wash out" an area of her skirt as she was standing so her panties (?) were not broadcast on camera. If it was inappropriate for television as arguably permissive as television broadcasting is these days, is it not also fair to suggest the Southwest employees were correct in censoring the live image of the same to its other passengers. While I understand Southwest's response and apology due to the realities of customer relations, perhaps taking a stand would be admired if the extra effort for standing up for conscientious policies and principles means individuals displaying bad behavior aren't reinforced for it. Nonetheless, Southwest hasn't lost a customer, but I would have supported the company whole heartedly had they stood by their employee and company policy in this case.
I will no longer be flying on Southwest Airlines. In the past, I have enjoyed good service and low fares. After this event though, I refuse to give SWA any more of my money. Although they claim to have no dress code, they harassed a paying customer and tried to stop her from flying. This is not the only woman who has been harassed by a SWA employee, and I'm sure it won't be the last. SWA's "apology" is disgusting, filled with sexist remarks. It is very clear from SWA's statement that they do not care at all about the complaints. They do not care at all that they made a mistake.
As for the people making judgments about this young woman-stop. In America, we have the freedom to decide what we want to wear. Are you really suggesting that we start having laws on what is considered appropriate attire-for adults? I don't care if this woman dressed skimpily, I don't care if she is "trashy" or what, I care that she was treated horribly and was discriminated against. That is not acceptable.
Southwest, you are truly pathetic.
-one more ex-Southwest passenger
Nice "apology." Regardless of who was right or wrong in the first place, this apology is one of the most offensive things I've ever seen anyone in corporate America put forward. Southwest is off my list, and if I have my way, no one in my organization will fly Southwest again, either, regardless of fare.
I checked out her myspace page. It's easy to find if you just search on her name. She isn't even that good looking in some of those photos. She created her myspace this month. It seems like she is just looking for publicity, and the news media gave it to her.
Do I think the Southwest employee acted inappropriately? Well, yes, I do. I personally don't care what people wear. I worked as a hotel receptionist for almost three years. The only thing I cared about was whether or not our customers could pay their bills.
Kyla has went way beyond her 15 minutes of fame. This seems like a cheap way to get some attention. Perhaps, she is trying to get into _Playboy_ or something?
Kyla denied Colleens (jealous of Kyla) and Gary (i'm a perv) apology! Now, I am tired of Kyla's media attention at this point. But it's nice to know that she refused Collens (wish she could wear skirts without varicose veins showing), and Garys (wish i wasn't married) bribe. Make fun of Kyla all you want, but Collen and Gary showed that they are the real "sluts".
Does Southwest not understand the meaning of an apology? This is offensive in so many ways, from mocking Kyla to trying to capitalize on the harassment of the airline staff. I will not be flying Southwest again unless a REAL apology is issued and this one retracted.
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Kuddos to Southwest and their handling of this situation. I have always been pleased with their service compared to the other airlines. The people who said they won't fly Southwest.. I have one thing to say....Good Riddance!
The first time I flew Southwest, I was appalled when I found out they treated their customers like cattle in chutes in the name of saving a few bucks. Funny how JetBlue doesn't need to do that. I put them to the bottom of my choices for flying in the future, and luckily, have never needed to fly Southwest again. Now, I find out that Southwest mocks their customers! They humiliated two of their female customers, and instead of truly apologizing, they mocked them in "funny" press releases. Of course this is only to counteract any lawsuits, but I don't care. I expect basic human respect from companies that I patronize. It's not much to ask for, especially from an airline. I'm NEVER going to fly Southwest again. I'll pay a few more bucks and fly an airline that has treated me well, like JetBlue. Besides, after reading their response to this, their management strikes me as so stupid I'm surprised they can keep their planes in the air.
I'd like to second all the comments censuring SWA for its despicable paternalism and vowing never to fly with you again.
Why don't you you freaks petition SWA to change their name to Jesus world airlines. I think it's ridiculous to take issue with someone because of their attire.
Just please stop it. You can't continue to "childproof" everything by
punishing adults. So your kid sees some breast ,big deal.
You think you're protecting them from nudity while still exposing them to
hours of questionable TV or video games,and feel smug
when someone chatises a young woman who
is minding her own business,and wearing what she
chooses. Good job folks!
I for one just think this is disgusting. I didn't realize that the pilots on SW are now all of our fathers, telling us what we can wear when we get on a plane. I just find it absolutely unreal. As a grown adult woman, I will wear whatever I want and by the way I won't fly with an airline that feels the need to treat me like a child and neither will the company I work for anymore on our business trips. I've already talked to the HR people and they've decided SW doesn't reflect the company sexual harassment policies, so SW won't be getting our business anymore.
I can't believe that instead of a sincere apology, your company wrote this woman a fake apology and then named a promotion after it - clearly you are somehow thinking this is good PR? Mini-skirt fare? Give me a break. I have decided that I will never fly Southwest no matter what. I can't believe how poorly this was handled. You all should be ashamed of yourselves.
"As a SWA family member and frequent flyer at swa, good for you flight crew. I am personally tired of having to turn the other way because I accidentally looked over and saw the woman with the ( new meaning ) cut off shorts and saw her buisness without undies. Or the woman who is on a full family flight out of Orlando to Providence in a tube top, thatÃ
Here are some myspace page photos of that paragon of ladylike virtue and behavior /s:
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http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:http://www.myspace.com/PrincessKyla
Meanwhile, to all those who bluff that they are quitting Southwest, all I can say is enjoy your higher fares and Soviet-style service on alternative airlines. Can't wait for one of you to sign up for a USAir flight. Last one I got on, they cancelled without notice as I arrived at the airport, claimed it was bad weather in a distant city, forced me to wait another whole night with huge luggage I'd dragged across a city and was exhausted from, refused to hold it for the night, gave me a crummy lying lecture on 'federal homeland security regulations' (as if stinking terrorists can predict weather and know to strike when there is bad weather in a distant city, yeah sure) and to top it off, gave zero, repeat, absolutely zero, apology, and not even an apologetic smile, just the nasty Soviet service that would have put Aeroflot circa 1972 to shame. I can't wait for one of you to get on one of those USAir flights at double the price instead of Southwest. It warms the cockles of my heart. In reality, I smell bluffing and know plenty will be back. Up until now, the only thing you needed to be sure to not do, other than join alqaida, was show up without wearing panties and parading your bare belly. Now with this Southwest apology, you don't even have to do that anymore, you can go as pantiless as you like and flash that belly so what's not to like. Meantime, enjoy your Soviet service on the dinosaur airlines of your choice.
After all this (too late) Colleen says SW is not the "fashion police" ??? . I think her employees need some training about keeping their fanatical thinking and opinions to themselves. What they've done is just open up a can of worms that will cause some passengers to dress even more offending. In turn those that feel offended should express this concern to Southworst and demand free tickets for their senses being offended. This would include middle-aged, elderly and parents of teenagers and small children.
What a ridiculous load of crap. I agree with Elizabeth above- spinning an apology into a promotion is sad, sad, sad. I was a dedicated customer for quite some time, but frankly, I'm taking my business elsewhere in light of this debacle. Unless, of course, a serious effort to fix the matter is attempted, but I'm not optimistic. So long, Southwest. Best of luck on your puritan airways. I'm out.
KUDOS SOUTHWEST! Attire like Kyla's needs to be confined to Hooters, not an airplane cabin. Nobody wants to see your bodacious ta-ta's while enjoying the delicious peanuts. She is a spoiled brat and needs to get over herself. Looking to get rich by suing Southwest, SHAME! Then ya'll will moan and groan when fares go up....
If only you had seen the way she was really dressed
It's obvious an organized attack by a bunch of angry feminist that don't even fly Southwest is trying to sway the argument on the blog. Very lame attempt ladies. Since this whole affair is silly and childish Southwest doesn't owe Kyla anything. She wasn't denied flying on the plane, and only asked to adjust her clothing. I've had much worse things said and done to me during my life, and never hired a lawyer, or threw a tantrum like Kyla. For a 23 year old women she needs to grow up and learn to handle some criticism instead of acting like a crybaby. For those who claim Southwest is mocking and making fun of Kyla all I have to say is you've got to be kidding. Have you seen her appearances on the Today Show, Geraldo, and Ellen? From what I saw even her supporters are mocking and making fun of her. Southwests apology and promotion fit right in with the three ring circus Kyla has created and is promoting to draw attention to herself. For a women so traumatized by Southwests actions she sure appears to be having a good time and enjoying every minute of it. I believe she hates letting it go and wants to keep the charade going as long as possible. Can you say attention whore. The only one who should be ashamed is Kyla Ebbert.
Southwest, you should be ashamed of yourselves! First, you decide to humiliate a customer by imposing a dress code that did not exist. I originally thought this might have a single employee acting out of line to police and harass customers. Then we learn this is not the only time a customer has been harassed for her clothing as a second customer came forward. Again there was no prior dress code in place to justify any of this harassment. But THEN, to drive it all home, rather than actually apologize for these outrageous employees who harass their customers, you create a false "apology" as a promotional stunt and publicly pronounce your outright sexism!!
Apparently there may be no pre-established company policy on appropriate dress, but it is clear that you build your company policy around sexism and sexual harassment! You have lost many customers, including myself and everyone I know.
Perhaps the flight attendant just thought she was a little cold.
I'd like the miniskirt fare for both my husband and myself in addition to any senior citizen discount..... but I am certain that if he approached the boarding area in a mini-skirt that we would have a new media Ã
It's really a shame, because I've always thought of Southwest as having a progressive corporate ethic and have tried to fly SW whenever possible. After this incident? Never again. The level of willful idiocy is breathtaking.
Unfortunately what Southwest failed to explain was that the girl had her skirt unbuttoned halfway up and was not wearing underwear. Furthermore, other passengers had complained and the flight attendants had no other choice but to address it. Southwest should never have apologized to her in the first place, if she was embarrassed then perhaps she should dress appropriately. On behalf of the many passengers who would prefer not to look at someone's private parts while they fly with their children (or anytime for that matter) I applaud Southwest. For those who won't fly them because of this, thank you, because if you agree with this girl then I probably don't want to see your outfit either. People should try taking some responsibility for their actions and have respect for themselves and for others, if they won't do that then good for Southwest for doing it for them.
LET'S ALL DEFEND SOMEONE WITH THE BRAINS THE SIZE OF MY PINKY AND WHOSE ONLY HOPE IN LIFE IS TO WORK AT HOOTERS AND MODEL FOR PLAYBOY. WHAT A REAL WINNER.. I RATHER DEFEND AN AIRLINE WHO CHARGES LOW FARES, WHO HAS SUPPORTED OUR TROOPS AND OUR COMMUNITIES AND WHO HAS GIVEN AMERICANS THE FREEDOM TO FLY SINCE THE '70'S
FRANCISCO
To address some of the responses above- I think its a sad commentary on our society that people are condemning Southwest for their good judgment. It clearly demonstrates the depths to which standards in this country have dropped. I'm embarrassed for all the people who are writing to say that Southwest is being "the fashion police," they are clearly missing the point of the issue. Shame on them for being that ignorant. I'm actually appalled that any adult would have the audacity to stick up for this girl.
Louise wrote (Sept. 18 7:29AM):
>Unfortunately what Southwest failed to explain was that the girl had her skirt unbuttoned halfway up and was not wearing underwear. Furthermore, other passengers had complained and the flight attendants had no other choice but to address it.
This would explain the original incident, but can you then explain (a) why Southwest wouldn't reveal this exculpatory information in support of the crew, and (b) how Kyla could have been so sure that Southwest wouldn't blow her cover, so to speak, that she could afford to start a PR offensive to increase her public exposure?
Of the two of these, item (a) bothers me more. Especially because Southwest supposedly puts its Employees above all else. Supposedly.
Item (b) could be explained by too much myspace between the ears, I suppose. We all know that some people make strange choices.
In summary, even if Louise is correct, there's still something major missing here. The facts don't add up, and I'm sure they will once we know the whole story.
Southwest: it's time to put the facts on the table. All of them. Back your employees if they were right and reprimand them if they were not, but don't give us any cutesy evasions.
I agree with the last poster.
I travel frequently for work, and while I appreciate a good-looking girl in a short skirt as much as the next guy, this clearly crossed the line. She wasnÃ
I wholeheartedly agree with Vivita, Debra and many other people on this page who have voiced approval of Southwest's actions. Before I continue, let me say that I am a young heterosexual male and I am far from conservative and prudish. I am also a regular Southwest customer. I enjoy looking at attractive women as much as any other person. However, inappropriate is inappropriate. Let's face it, Kyla is only being considered a victim, because many people consider her to be attractive. And let's be honest, attractive women have been allowed to wear whatever they want, wherever they want for a long time.
Let's consider the following:
As Vivita states, what would have happened if Kyla had been a plus-size man or woman? What if she were say...50+ years of age? Most likely, she would have been kicked off the plane for showing 'a little too much skin' and it wouldn't have even made the news. More than likely, the same people who are crying foul over this incident would have been applauding the action...particularly if it had been a man. "Ugh...what was (she or he) thinking?" They would have said. "No one wants to see THAT!". Do you think that a man wearing short 'Richard Simmons' shorts would have been allowed to board the plane? And God forbid that any man were wearing shorts that accidentally hung open and showed part of his...gasp...underwear. That man would have been escorted off the plane and into police custody in no time. Again, that story would probably not have been newsworthy, because no one would consider that person to be a victim.
And what about the disparity between what is considered appropriate for women and men? I see women walking the streets in 'work out shorts' that are shorter and tighter than my boxer briefs. How long would it take me to get arrested for walking the streets in my boxer briefs?...Even if I look like Brad Pitt. Women are allowed to wear sleeveless shirts, tank tops and shorts to work, while men are sent home for wearing pants that look too casual. How many male office workers are allowed to wear shorts to work? Not many. Let's not even get into the whole issue of how attractive women are encouraged by society to flash their panties and private parts in public. Heaven forbid any man wears any short that fall above the knee...look he's showing (gasp) leg!!!
Inappropriate clothing rules need to be enforced and it needs to be enforced uniformly...regardless of gender, attractiveness and age. Most women I've heard complaining about Southwest's actions admit that they wouldn't want THEIR daughter to dress that way and board a plane. So what makes it okay for Kyla to dress they way she did and get aboard a plane? Until society begins to send a message that it is not acceptable for people to dress a certain way in public, we will continue to have young girls looking up to Paris and Britney....yes, even your daughter.
Again, I applaud Southwest for it's actions and agree with others who believe that Kyla is owed no apology. I've never been more proud to be a Southwest customer. And for those persons who are crying foul because they believe they should be able to wear whatever they want anyplace...welcome to a world with rules.
Independent of how the skirt issue was handled - poor move on the marketing campaign. Your campaign has brought me to this comment, instead of checking out the fares your offering. Missed the mark.
Well,
any of you women dare tell me how to dress and I would punch your lights out. I have freedom to wear what I want when I want, and if you grandmas do not like it, too bad. You can wear your potato sack dresses, but I will wear what I want.
If you ask me this has gotten way out of hand, frankly I applaud Southwest for putting there foot down. Enough is enough with the "hoochie mama" outfits. I remember when flying meant dressing up, and was a major event. Now customers abuse employees with their "customer rights". Good for the SW employee who decided that enough was enough. SW already had a customer for life with me, but now I'll go OUT OF MY WAY to fly the gretest airline in the world!
Welcome to a world with rules? Well, I wasn't aware that there was a rule - let alone a law - that says provocative attire is not allowed in a public place. The outfits worn by the two young women asked to cover up were not provocative in any way shape or form. They appeared that way because of the women they were on. Had those women been unattractive, flat chested, and 13, no one would have cared. They would have chalked it up to bad parenting. I have seen worse outfits on children. You can't keep blaming the media and Paris and Britney, it doesn't work that way. You can, however, blame poor parenting and social learning. If their peers dress that way, they will want to as well. Telling someone they can't board a flight because you don't like the fact that they are an adult woman with breasts is not going to change the fashion industry.
As a woman, I am completely disgusted by Southwest's treatment of these two women and the way they've handled the situation. When a woman of a certain body type and breast sizes gets dressed in the morning, there is little she can do - short of wearing a mumu - to distract attention from her breasts. If you're concerned as a mother that your children are looking at her, what is wrong with you? Your children are too busy being over-parented and playing with their video games to care what an adult woman on Southwest is wearing. It takes five seconds to tell your child that outfit is inappropriate for them to wear, and it takes almost no effort to prevent them from owning something similar. Thank you, Southwest, for helping America's idiots perpetuate the stereotype of an attractive blonde college student having no future except Playboy magazine.
I'm not going to be flying Southwest anytime in the future, and I will be avoiding doing business with their parner corporations. The funny thing is, it's not because of my attire. You wouldn't be able to pick me out of a crowd. Unless, of course, intelligence is something you can visualize... then I'd probably be the only person on the entire flight that you'd notice.
What's next? Someone complaining because I'm wearing a shirt that says "abortion tickles" or "this is what a feminist looks like"? We have freedoms, people. Even if her skirt was unbuttoned with no underwear, how were you supposed to see up it when she was sitting down? Unless, of course, you explicitly attempted to see her vagina... which wouldn't surprise me. Conservatives, while prudes, are always the biggest perverts.
I can't believe Southwest would demean women in such a manner. It's not funny, and it's most certainly embarassing to think that I could be asked to be removed from a flight because I have breasts.
Maybe I'll fly Southwest and ask them to remove someone wearing religious apparel because, quite frankly, that is offensive to me.
Just because you don't like something doesn't mean you get to remove it from society.
She wore that "outfit" to be noticed, and it was noticed! Obviously her media apperances are another "look at me plea"! She is only upset because she did not get the 'attention' she wanted. SWA did the right thing - they asked her to cover up! I am proud of that employee, and they should be too!
I think many of these myspace sites are impostors. The site I found has been deleted.
So, where is the customer dress policy on the website, or SWA pamphlets? I cannot find it. Shall all American women have to were berkas now and not show skin? Also, how was the SWA employee trained to specifically kick-off passengers. I think there needs to be a written policy and clearer direction by SWA before kicking-off passengers. If the information about what not wear or what "uniform" passengers must wear, to get on a plane is not clearly given, I think SWA was wrong. I live in the south, it is hot in the summer, it is hot at the gate with the poor ventilation at the airport, and it is hot waiting on SWA planes at the gate, I am going to wear short shorts and low tank tops. What is the difference between short shorts and short skirts?
Aw geeze. When will companies understand that you guys just can't get away with this type of behavior anymore? In this age where information travels as fast as it does you can't afford to have snarky employees who feel entitled to degrading paying customers. Twice even. Then to have your PR department make a mockery of the entire situation? Are you serious?
These are the reasons share holders pull out and companies go under these days. But honestly, if you feel that having horrible customer service as well as public relations is a good business move, you deserve everything you get.
For one, I'll be sure to avidly avoid ever using your airline and be sure to spread the word of just how highly you regard the people who earn your living off of.
My husband, myself and our 4 children ages 16-6, two boys (16 & 6) and two girls (12 & 10) just flew SWA a few days before this incident happened and I don't blame them one bit for asking the girl to put more clothes on. While we were waiting for our flight to come back home from vacation there was a woman wearing a very skimpy dress that was short at the bottom and low cut at the top and the first thing our 16 year old says is "EEW c heck her out!" I did and I about choked on my own tongue, one for the way she was dress and two she didn't have the body to be dressed that way. I could not believe this woman was dressed the way she was, I was offended and she wasn't even going to be on our flight thank god. Of course our daughters looked also at which point I told them that was a very inappropriate dress for any age!!!!! Show a little class people most of the people that dress that way are doing it because, for whatever issues they have, they want people to look at them. I'm not saying that the flight attendant handled this in the best manner possible, but for those of us who are trying to teach our children to have some morals and class I think it was a great thing to do. I will continue to fly SWA because they have the decency to speak up for those of us who have to look at that garbage!!!! And for those who now think they are going to dress this way just to prove a point that they can dress how ever they want I hope SWA kicks your butt off of the plane also, because you don't get to implement your lack of class on the rest of us. Way to go SWA you will be the FAMILY airline we chose for our flight destinations!!!!!!!
This is classic. Now commenters here are arguing that it is wrong to stand up for a woman who allegedly has "brains the size of my pinky and whose only hope in life is to work at Hooters and model for Playboy" (per Francisco at 7:53 a.m.) and saying that somehow Ms. Ebbert is not worth defending because she has some sexy pics on her Myspace page.
Excuse me, but I didn't realize that I need to undergo an intelligence test and a thorough character review to be worthy of basic respect from Southwest's airline stewards. ALL passengers should be entitled to respect regardless of our IQ scores, sexual proclivities, or line of work.
(By the way, would anyone ever imply that a man who reads Playboy or goes to Hooters is not worthy of respect? Naaah -- didn't think so. Somehow that's different.)
To the person who posted pictures from Kyla's MySpace page: What does that have to do with this situation in any way? So she posts pictures of herself and friends wearing nothing but underwear. That isn't what she was wearing on the plane, so it's completely irrelevant.
Between this harassment of a customer for wearing an outfit one of your employees arbitrarily decided was "inappropriate" despite, as far as I'm aware, involving absolutely no unacceptable public nudity or contravention of any publicly-available dress code (I'm with the poster above -- should we just order our burkas now to make sure we won't have any problems on your airline in the future?) and your repeated, appalling treatment of overweight customers, please be assured I will NEVER fly Southwest Airlines. Unless you remedy your policies, you will never get any of my business again.
i just saw the dr phil show-at first she was happy to take the tickets and then looked upset after dr phil said this matter she be put to rest-and then gave them right back to him-even the crownd was displeased in her actions-i pray to god if this thing makes it to court that the judge laughs in her face-southwest you did the right thing i fly once a week on your airline and if i was on that flight i would have been very upset!!! what was she thinking>-there are children on that plane-she looked like she was going to some club-it just never fails-someone looking to make some cash off a big company-southwest keep up the good work-and please don't let that tramp get anything free-she makes me ill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! her mother should be ashamed...
What a bunch of nasty prudes. Bodies aren't evil. Your minds are. Maybe the next time I see someone wearing a cross I'll ask them to remove it being offended by a dead and mangled body as a piece of jewelry. As for the CEO of SWA your an idiot. And I will not be flying on your airline.
I think this little girl needs to get over it, you dress like a hooker you get treated like a hooker! I wouldnt want to get on a plane with my little daughter and have her looking up that skirt She looks like she has been in a few pornos. She seems like a stuck up brat that is used to getting her way, i dont think you should have ever apologized to her, you should have sent her a pair of pants and an attitude adjustment. She just wanted to be on TV.
I used to fly SWA when I lived in Chicago,and I had planned to consider doing so now that I've moved to San Francisco. After this incident, I'm done. It's clear that Southwest harasses womenÃ
So SWA had to eat some crow. Thats good. I just hope she follows through and sues you. I still think she will collect bigtime. You need to learn that the customer is STILL always right. How does it feel, Coleen, to have your boss cut your legs from under you? I think the previous posters are right -- you and Keith should be updating your resumes.
Removed SW from our travel airline today.
What a bad company and I am glad i was shown just what kind of company you run.
Your letter from your CEO sounds like a joke and he did not take it serious at all and we deal with serious companies not ones who are jokes like SW
Kylie (or whatever her name is) is just trying to get free travel. An employee made a mistake(asking her to cover her private parts) and the airline has apologized, if she truly works at Hooters I just hope karma bites her in the butt and she has a disgruntled customer that will not listen to her apology. She will not be happy til Southwest offers her free lifetime travel (including hotels and rental cars). It's always about the payout.
She does not have any legal standing to sue. All she going to do is spin her wheels while her blood sucking lawyer takes all her money. She needs to quit crying like a baby and get on with her life. Let her go out and fly another airline and see how bad customer service really can be.
Southwest Executives:
I see both sides of the issue, but ultimately understand Southwest was wrong.
While it is good to empower employees to make decisions, someone that is reasonable and more qualified to over rule a decision (a supervisor) should be present when a dispute would most likely arise (i.e. this dress code case). When the dispute came up, the employee should have advised the supervisor and let the supervisor address the issue. This is a management decision, and we all know that managers go through training for typical situations, so they can resolve any potential problem with as little disturbance.
If a supervisor made the decision, the supervisor would be reprimanded by the company. The company would be in litigation with the supervisior if the supervisor was adhering to the corporate guidelines.
If the company did not support the employee or supervisor's decision, they should appologize immediately and attempt to reach a compromise settlement (compensation); again, this needs to be done immediately.
Your company (Southwest) waited over two months (from my understanding, the incident occurred in Juyly). Shame on you!
Shame on you for your employee to mention this to this young attractive lady (Jealously). When viewing this lady's outfit, she is covered up to her neckline. Her skirt is as long as your crews own shorts. The skirt is not a mini skirt.
Shame on you for your delay in handling the situation. It was unprofessional and had no immediate concern to your excutives, which work for the shareholders, whom are the employees. Ultimately, it is poor management!
Next time the excutives (anyone in management) obtains a bonus, please donate to the shareholders and ground floor workers, as you do not deserve a bonus for poor management for this situation and many other situations that I have been through.
I will do my best to fly another airline, like Virgin America.
Lastly, shame on Dr. Phil. Although I hate litigation on all levels, litigation is necessary. There are boneheads in management that end up hiring boneheads and training boneheads; therefore, you need to litigate for a company to get rid of boneheads. A company will not learn unless they pay for their mistake(s)! When you are wronged, you need to sometimes litigate to change a company's attitude or "guideline." Again, it took took two months for an appology. This young lady has made change, but it took a lot of time, effort, energy, stress, humilation, and criticism from closed minded people.
These people that criticized this young lady see people on the beach with far less. They watch family shows and soaps with far less clothing. These people are hypocrits, and all hypocrits should never be heard.
I will attempt to fly Virgin America... Thanks Dr. Phil !
Jason from Riverside, CA
"(By the way, would anyone ever imply that a man who reads Playboy or goes to Hooters is not worthy of respect? Naaah Ã
I hope she doesn't sue Southwest! Even if she does, I certainly want SWA to win!
I forgot to add this to my previous post, so here it is. Press the flight attendant call button to show your support for Southwest. *Ding!* I pushed it. :)
I LUV SWA!
Southwest - The infamous "line up" it's A - B - C time airline! And now they are they fashion police. I am able to pay $$$$s for my ticket (which SW happily accepted), remove my flip flops and get stripped searched before ever getting to the gate, but I cannot wear a simple mini-skirt with a basic shirt and actually "board" the plane without being ridiculed by SW Airline employees who are in no position to judge me or what I wear! Unbelievable. And then the President has the nerve to comment with humor - WOW! Yes, I will be looking at other options the next time I fly. Go JetBlue!
You Kyla apologists (whose business SWA neither wants nor needs, thank you very much) are forgetting one thing that was explained perfectly well in the original post: the Today show producers had to censor where her underwear was exposed on the set. Poor Kyla, she was soooo ashamed of what was done to her that she was forced to proffer herself again before Matt Lauer.
I've been at parties where young ladies have worn similarly short skirts so that they can let others see London, France, and her other geographic entities. They want the attention, modesty be damned.
Is THAT what Susan B. Anthony et al. crusaded for? Are you "unrepressed" women posting here so selfish to think that you can dress any way you want and that it has no effect on anyone, or no one has the right to notice? I guess you don't want to wear burqas; you just want everyone else to wear blindfolds. (The same does go for the guys with the pants around the kneecaps, BTW.)
BTW, Kyla's Myspace page is perfectly relevant because it shows her complete lack of character, much less clothing. She's desperate for attention, and I still say SWA needs to back Keith. Shame on Gary Kelly and Colleen Barrett for not doing so.
Way To Go, Southwest!...
Southwest Airlines Communications Director Brian Lusk, you have nothing to apologize for in the issue of a flight attendant asking a skank to cover up her legs. This passenger is a gold-digger, and I......
SWA isnt going anywhere. I dont see a stock change or bankruptcy in the future. they will lose customers, even gain some. And for 90% of you that say you wont fly SWA again over this, have fun wasting $100's elsewhere as for most of you budget minded travellers that isnt a possibility so have fun on the bus maybe? not every airline goes where you need to go. and for those of you with deep pockets good for you but im sorry southwest isnt going away. time to let the issue go, this is old news people, its not like any of you are getting any settlement $ or anything. as for this ISOLATED issue lets remember it started over ONE employee's decision. Ive flown out of 80% of southwest's cities and have not seen an issue like this even with the number of "questionable" passengers out there.... solution- terminate the employee, make it right with the girl, yes i know the apology wasnt the greatest but whatever, the issue is done with, this debate can go on for years but in the end SWA will still be in the top 5 family airlines...and thats the bottom line. keep in mind this will be my one and only post in this section
wait wait and I had to add just one more comment it made me laugh a few comments up. "Virgin Atlantic" is based out of the UK and flys international destinations which SWA does not yet so unless your flying to the UK or other worldwide destinations you are SOL...
wait scratch that last post virgin america is new to me i was thinking virgin atlantic... even so unless you fly between the astounding 5 destinations they serve only. (as opposed to SWA's 60) you are still SOL
Maybe the situation could have been address better but HAS anyone ever know that the Contract of Carriage-Passenger states the following on page 10 "persons or whose clothing is lewd, obscene or patently offensive" can be removed or refused to transport they do have the RIGHT to do so nothing was done for NO reason there are reasons this was done!
SouthWest should have never apologized to this girl. I agree with the above poster that claims that she's a gold digger, only I want to push it even further to call her a media hound. She wants publicity.
I've seen her myspace page, and frankly, I feel that she has no respect for anyone AT ALL, and how dare she force her loose morality on the rest of us passengers?
I am not an employee of SWA, but I am totally sure that the press is only hearing one side of the story. It would've been nice to have seen SouthWest actually defend its employees instead.
After Southwest gave her tickets in good faith, only to have her accept them, and then return them after she was asked if she would mitigate further, I was firmly convinced that all the girl cared about was publicity.
Btw, I'm not ashamed of the human body and actually think it's the most beautiful thing on earth. I do, however, believe that there is a time and a place for everything, and frankly, choosing to use a crowded airplane with children as a place to show off one's body in a rather inappropriate manner is not the proper time or place.
This girl has a Myspace page filled with her nakedness. Isn't that enough?
WHERE ARE ALL OF THESE NEGATIVE COMMENTS COMING FROM?? SOUTHWEST HAS ALWAYS BEEN KNOWN FOR ITS HUMOR AND FOR PUTTING ITS CUSTOMERS FIRST. WHAT IS WRONG WITH OUR SOCIETY. I E-MAILED ALL OF THE TALK SHOWS AND MY LOCAL NEWSPAPER ABOUT HOW SOUTHWEST HAS DONE A LOT FOR THE TROOPS. THEY SENT ME CARE PACKAGES, MAILED ME A BIRTHDAY CARD, MAILED PHONE CARDS TO OUR TROOPS OVERSEAS... YET YOU GUYS WANT TO SIDE WITH A HOOTERS GIRL... THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE... THOSE THAT CLAIM THEY HAVE CHANGED TO A DIFFERENT AIRLINE...ALL I CAN SAY IS WHEN YOU GUYS GO BROKE FROM PAYING HIGHER FARES.. REMEMBER HOW MUCH MONEY YOU COULD HAVE SAVED AT SOUTHWEST.. THEY TRULY CARE FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS..
FRANCISCO
I said it before... and I will say it again....
I WILL CONTINUE TO FLY SOUTHWEST!
You cannot convince me that -whatever her name is- did not look more provacative than she let on with the TV interviews. If she was so embarrassed by the situaion, why is she subjecting herself to this
media -exposure-?
My opinion... It's all for the money.
I will continue to fly Southwest for the reason that I have come to love them over the years.
Fair Airfare Costs
On Time Arrivals
Schedules That Are Not Subject To Change Once Published
and most of all...
HAPPY EMPLOYEES! (it is pleasant to fly with a company who make you laugh!)
Actually, I am kind of disapponted that Southwest had to apologize for the stink that -whatever her name- raised. But I guess they did what they felt that they had to do under the media microscope.
Okay, so there's no formal written dress policy on Southwest. OKay...so what would make for inappropriate dress? Perhaps if Kyla's skirt was an inch shorter...two inches. Maybe it would have been okay for her to board the plane wearing no skirt....wearing only a thong? What if someone decides to board topless? I guess that would be okay since there is no dress policy.
To all the men reading this blog: lets all board our next flight in our boxers and tighty-whities.
I think it is completely ridiculous what happen to this lady. This is a free country and anyone should be able to wear WHATEVER they want. Who are ya'll to decide what is appropriate or not?? I was recently on a Continental flight where a woman wore a swimsuit top. Nothing was said to her. Her "private" parts were covered. We as US citizens have that right. I am seriously considering never flying again with Southwest. Seriously disappointed.
As a young woman who frequently travels for both business and pleasure, I was appalled to read about Southwest's recent PR release making fun of the recent incident involving another young woman being kicked off of a flight for her attire. How can you say that you're proud of your hot-pants past and claim not to be "fashion police," yet remove this paying customer from a flight? The fact that is is not the first time that this has happened is enough to make me determined never to book a flight with Southwest. I work hard for my money and I will not spend it on a company who feels justified in judging my personal fashion choices. Disgusting.
I found some articles on the subject of scantily clad and misbehaving women, if anyone is interested in reading them.
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As a poster previously stated: "the Contract of Carriage-Passenger states the following on page 10 Ã
Anyone that saw the Dr. Phil Show yesterday could clearly see Kyla is a fraud looking for money and not an apology. The real apology she and her greedy lawyer are looking for is for Southwest airlines to show them the money. To me it's obvious she figured being told to adjust her clothing is enough embarassment and trauma for Southwest to pay for the boob job she recently got. Ironically a post-op visit to her plastic surgeon in Tucson for breast enlargement surgery was the purpose of the flight. The girl has no shame, and will do anything to get attention and money. Wake up people who still support this con artist wannabe victim.
I GUESS IT JUST COMES DOWN TO CARING ENOUGH TO TRY TO DO THINGS FOR THE GOOD OF EVERYONE..I THINK SOUTHWEST HAS BIGGER FISH TO FRY BUT THE WOMAN ALSO NEEDS TO TURN THIS IN TO BRAINDAMAGE CITY..SHE WAS EMBARRESED BIG DEAL...WHAT IS THIS MOMMY HAS TO WRITE A LETTER FOR HER>>>I THINK SHE GOT ON THE FLIGHT IT LANDED IF SHE DONT LIKE IT TAKE A BUS NEXT TIME>>>>
Humor in the workplace can go too far. Southwest shot itself in the foot with the lame puns in its half-baked conditional apology. Either apologize or don't apologize, but apologies should never be diluted with jokes.
This woman's clothing was not "lewd" or "offensive," and the way she has been shamed and mocked--and by Colleen Barrett, a woman!--is absolutely appalling. Ms. Ebberts was not exposing herself or conducting herself in an objectionable way. The latest incident, involving Ms. Qassim's attire, has made it even clearer to all intelligent observers that your company is backward and encourages misogyny.
Southwest will not receive any business from me until you begin to show respect for ALL of your customers, and I will be sure to encourage everyone I know to choose other airlines.
I have a new respect for SWA now and I do think they've handled the matter about the half nude passenger with humor and dignity. Why on earth would a woman want to wear something that makes her look like a hooker I'll never know.
I like what someone commented earlier about - would you want your mother (assuming she's not a prostitute - lmao) to see you wearing that in public? lmao. Shame on that skanky piece of trash for flashing her wares in public like she did - if she doesn't feel ashamed, she should be! I wouldn't want to be on a flight where a man or a woman dressed like a piece of trash. Surely if they can afford to buy a plane ticket, they can afford to buy enough clothes to keep their privates from public debut! We (as families and mothers) are ashamed and disgusted by such displays. (sigh).
I don't think SWA needed to apologize - let's take a stand against the pervs and sluts of this world and make this world a better place.
I fully support your staff making decisions on customer attire which does not reflect family values and uphold a standard of decency. Many who fly with you do not wish to be subject to exposure which borders on tasteless if not out right indecent.
Way to go Southwest Airline...you've got my vote and my business!
To all the Kyla Ebberts in the world.....when you dress the way you do you are looking for attention, so if you don't like the kind of attention you are getting either cover up or SHUT UP!!!
I am amazed at how shallow people can be. For those who claim to have flown with Southwest for hundreds of flights, they're going to take their business somewhere else over such silliness? Carrying 93 million passengers a year, there are going to be differences. Get over it and concentrate on the important things in life. I'm sure the company has done many great things, and to lose business over this? Crazy. I'm sure they will continue to do the great job they always have. Good for them!
someone mentioned earlier that she weighed 300 pounds and would probably be asked to leave the plane if she dressed like this kyla person.
Let me ask all you drooling males out there who are blasting SOUTHWEST, if kyla weighed 300 pounds and was maybe not very attractive would you be as sympathetic with her (or) if you had to sit next to her (all 300 pounds) on the plane would you enjoy all that exposed flesh (OR) would you complain to a flight attendant and ask that she be removed from your space?
I wish someone would post the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Keith would never have approched kyla if other passengers had not complained. this was probably far more embarrassing for him than for the young lady who likes to exibit her wares. (just check out her web page, this is not a person who gets embarrassed easily).
being a front line employee for (any) airline is a very delicate position, these people have many roles, it's not good enough to be an excellent employee, give 110% to the job, and always have a happy smile, they also occasionally have to address unpleasant situations such as passengers who disrupt the well being and comfort of the other 100 plus passengers on the plane. and yes the flight crew in a manner of speaking ARE the police. They have to make on the spot decisions to protect everyone. and as posted above SOUTHWEST does have the legal right to ask someone to leave the plane if their dress is is not appropriate.
I have very high respect for Colleen and Gary but in this case I'm dissapointed that you felt you owed Kyla an apology. I know... public pressure is a B*%@h and you are doing what you think is right. Just like Keith was taught to do. Keith is the one who needs the apology for all the static he has had to deal with. he had that dreaded 'on the spot 'decison to make and he performed his job appropriately. Funny....I haven't seen him on all the talk shows looking for his 15 minutes of fame.
My oh my, how times have changed. "Someone Else Up There Who Loves You". Trademark hot pants-Esquire Magazine- Most beautiful airline stewardesses distinction; Mermaid airplane billboards. It's a legacy of Southwest Airlines, seems to have been forgotten by many Southwest employees. It was a big part of the initial business model. The girl didn't look so much different to me than than that early day attire & corporate projection. Yes, things need to evolve and mature, we can't stop progress. But there's nothing wrong to let things happen that remind us of where we came from.
To quote the Smart Feminist with Amazing Cleavage:
"Ah, apologizing in typical Southwest style. Does that mean snarky and flippant? Because thatÃ
Dear Southwest CEOs and Employees,
Please brace yourselves with what I'm going to reveal. I believe the attention starved Ho (I mean Kyla Ebbert) may have some claims to sue the pants, panties or tops off you'all.
Here is a post by a member in this forum:
http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=1142#comments
1. AnonymousPampleteer Says:
September 8th, 2007 at 1:02 pm
I think it is outrageous that this airline was interfering with this woman's right, as underwritten and encouraged by every family court in America, to do everything in her power to attract and ultimately trap in reproduction and/or marriage, some economically above-average or even upscale male on that flight.
Everyone knows that average incomes of males who fly are higher than those who take the bus, and certainly her chances were pretty good of being seated next to a male or two, and if not, one imagines that no such prospective male targets would have objected to her changing her seat in their direction if she so chose.
Here this poor, hardworking Hooters waitress was utilizing her well-developed and practiced professional skills to do what she could to attract male attention, and that nasty airline stole from her the opportunity to maximally exploit the circumstance of being a semi-clad young female on a passenger jet.
I say that she sues the airline for depriving her from the 20 year child support annuity which she surely could have trapped from some male on that flight if the airline had simply allowed her to procede without their malicious and tortious interference.
In settlement, Southwest Airlines should allow her to travel completely naked or wearing whatever scant attire she chooses on as many flights as it takes for her to trap a high-earning male, while requiring their own flight attendants wear burkas, so as to not draw any male attention away from this poor, self-esteem damaged young "lady".
Just wanted to say, keep up the good work! After reading alot of the comments and alot of the people saying they will not fly SW again, I doubt it!! Your airline offers GREAT FARES and is a JOY to fly!! I don't think they are that convicted to this issue that they really would give up flying your airline, and if they are, so much better for us other fliers to get better seats!!
I think anonymous has kyla pegged (almost). according to kayla's website she is a 23 year old college student who listed her occupation as "retired".
my first question is....how can you retire at 23 before you even finish college?
my "guess" is she has left her job at HOOTERS for something (she thinks) that will give her income without having to work for it and has found a low life attorney willing to file a frivolous lawsuite (that will clog the already overloaded judicial system-not to mention give him plenty of media coveage to draw in more skanks to lure and sue innocent victims) simply because he is apparently not smart enough to attract a real client with a valid reason for a real attorneys services.
Then comes the second question.....as I understand kyla is a frequent flyer on SOUTHWEST AIRLINES and has logged over 100 flights over the past year. SO......how does a RETIRED college student have the money to spend that much time in the air?
again I'm "guessing", but with all that's come to light about little miss Hooter-Victim-porn queen, I think her real occupation has been taking place in the air where as mentioned earlier there are plenty of above average high saleried men who are more than happy to throw a little cash around for a little X-RATED entertainment once the plane has landed. In the air-what a great place for business contacts.
kyla my unsolicited advise to you is.......get a real job and get a life!!!!
Wow, there are some amazing comments from both sides of the issue. I'm throwing my comments on the side of the employee who attempted to educate this person on her very inappropriate attire. God bless him or her.
I don't know about Kyla Ebbert's upbringing, but frankly I didn't need anyone telling me that when out in public, you don't display yourself like a freak show. I was very heartened to read that someone was trying to improve public perceptions of what is or is not acceptable. Yes, we have the freedom to dress as we want to. But the problem is, society is bursting with pathetic, attention-starved individuals who keep pushing the envelope and getting away with it. Women who dress like her and boys walking around with their pants hanging around their hips as opposed to around their waist and we have to be subjected to that? And the rest of us have to just shake our head in bemusement because "it's none of your business to tell me how to dress", "you're not the boss of me", "there's no fashion gestapo", and so on and so forth. Why on God's green earth would you not like to wear a nice skirt (or pants) and blouse or in the case of men, a polo shirt and dockers?
What's really sad is this bimbo probably won't even learn from this and apparently wasn't so badly embarrassed and humiliated that she didn't go parading herself on national TV.
I fail to understand why anyone would want to exhibit themselves in something I wouldn't put on my dog. It's ridiculous. So I'm glad your employee stepped up and attempted to do something and hope that there was no reprimand.
And I also hate that you felt that an apology was in order. I like the fact that someone at your organization tried to make a stand for the betterment of everyone's traveling conditions at the risk of hurting one person's feelings. Maybe the next time she flies, she'll think twice about what she walks out of the house wearing. Oh, wait ... no, she won't. She already got away with it and got her 15 minutes of fame.
I think SWA needs to take this further.
1. Station a fashion panel at each gate to judge everyone before boarding? you must get 2 votes to board.
2. Put weigh scales and body fat testers at each gate. Exceed the norm and you're out.
3. Put a "human" box like they have to measure carry on luggage for people to squeeze into. If they don't fit, they ride in the baggage compartment underneath.
4. Odor police for those goobers in the wife beater shirts stinking up the joint, touching my arm with their hairy knuckles?
Institute al this and I will fly SWA
Seriously, SWA, your flight attendant blew this one and so did you for approving his/her actions and issuing a bogus apology.
There are much more professional methods of handling these situations. Your "recovery" team needs to be fired. Keith was just jealous because she looked better in that skirt than he does.
I would wager the only people complaining are the obese haus fraus who take up half my seat and only dream of being able to wear clothes like Miss Ebbert. They should be booted off.
Just a little bit of trivia for those of you care.
SOUTHWEST AIRLINES has a CONTRACT OF CARRIAGE which is a legal document and one of the items in this legal document states that SOUTHWEST has a right to "refuse to transport".
most of you seem to think kyla was kicked off the plane - not so she willingly covered up with a blanket and took her outbound and return flight.
Southwest says it wants to apologize if it offends any customers, but for some reason the company is having trouble doing so in a sincere manner. Southwest's apology is undermined by the conditional wording of "if we offend." There is no "if" here; Southwest did offend. Whether the offense taken by some customers is reasonable is subject to dispute, but there is no question that some customers were alienated, and humor is therefore an inappropriate response.
Southwest is also equivocating by saying it also supports its employees' abilities to make decisions. That may be good practice in general, but in this case, a decision needs to be made. Was the flight attendant acting appropriately when he asked the passenger to change clothing? I don't know, but Southwest owes its customers a thorough investigation and a clearly stated finding.
The result: This issue is far from resolved. I have no opinion on the passenger's attire. I wasn't there and cannot judge the situation fairly. Neverthless, I know an insincere, half-hearted apology when I see one, and Southwest's mishandling of the negative publicity surrounding this issue shows the limits of its corporate culture.
Although I am happy that you finally owned up to your mistake, your apology rings a little bit hollow.
The real class act in all this is Virgin America, who represents a much more gracious attitude. I will fly them whenever I can....
I think this is all ridiculous, I don't know where your employee is from but I must assume he is a religious fanatic type person. I am from Florida and that type of clothing is seen everywhere.I have boarded your flights seeing people wearing nothing more than short shorts, tube tops and flip flops and no one said anything.I was living in Dallas when your airline was regional and the definitely skimpy outfits of your flight attendants and the sometimes double entendre ads.My daughter has flown many many times on your airline and frankly was not wearing much more than the woman this happened to.
I think if you choose to cater to the religious fanatics you should immediately institute a dress code. As Herb knows you will LOSE any lawsuit if she files one and you have no leg to stand on. Southwest has lost sight of the once fun airline it was and is quickly becoming another stodgy old carrier.With all the recent changes you will soon become just another American with mediocre service and rude, uncaring personnel.
I blame this incident on an over zealous employee, and SWA for not training employee Keith about such cases. The young lady was properly dressed for public travel. The bad thing about all this, and the really important thing, was that SWA didn't correct the error until it hit the media and they looked like idiots. Keith should know that some of us are not gay and appreciate a beautiful girl.
You need to work on polishing your own flight attendants and check their shorts . I could see everything on one of your flight attendants the other day when i was flying southwest.I now fly united. tiffany lewis
it's amazing to me, how many of you out there would stand up for kyla and put down southwest air,without knowing all the facts. first of all , another passenger complained which prompted a swa employee to address the issue. that makes lots of sense. then she was taken to the jet way, away from other passengers, so she lied that it was in front of others. she also lied that she paid 251.00 for the round trip, when she actually used a free ticket. kyla's myspace was very provacative and her email address is very risque too. so sounds to me like kyla is maybe tired of hooters and any other gig she has displaying herself. so she decides what an opportunity to get her 15 mins of fame and now maybe sue southwest airlines for profit. that day she did dr.phil. well i think he hammered well and she didnt like it one but. because the truth hurts and this media attention for her has gone on ,way too long!!!!
I feel that it was more to the story then presented and how do we know she didn't dress that way to get attention. She wore the same outfit on the today show and I feel she showed no class.
I was extremely disappointed when I read you will no longer allow families with small children to pre-board. In fact my husband and I had just purchased our Christmas traveling tickets with Southwest Airlines for no other reason than the ability to board ahead of time.
In my opinion the pre-boarding policy worked out for both families as well as people not traveling with children. This is because not only did the service decrease the extremely stressful experience of traveling with small children for the parents, but it also allowed people who are not traveling with children to decide whether they would like to sit near those families. For me personally, this was a life saver. Before I had children there was no way I wanted to sit near one on a flight. Now that I have a nine month old baby, I am very concerned for that unlucky person who gets stuck sitting next to us. Under Southwest's old policy, I was assured that the person sitting next to us was more likely than not, someone who liked children. This was our experience the last time we flew with SW and had led us to continue flying with SW. However, I highly doubt we will ever fly SW again with the new policy. The prices are the same as any other airline and the present boarding policy is far worse than other airlines. At least with an assigned seat you don't have to wait in lines and you have a guarantee of sitting with your family!!
Please reconsider your decision of no longer allowing families to pre-board. I think SW had a niche in offering a service that no other airline offered. I also believed that by removing this service, SW will feel the squeeze when families turn elsewhere in favor of easier seating options, lower fares, or other services, when they would have chosen SW simply for the convenience of pre-boarding with children.
Kim Pfefer
I am a frequent flyer of SWA. My children also fly every month from pbi to alb to visit their father. I would much rather have them sit next to a beauty like Kyla, than a fat disgusting passenger that has body odor. I have had many unenjoyable flights on SWA, due to the fat person sitting next to me, or teh half dead passenger that is coughing up a lung...what I wouldn't have done for a seat next to Kyla. I'd rather look at a tight shapley body than folds and folds of fat. We live in America, we are paying good money to fly, if people can't handle having their children see a woman in a mini skirt than perhaps they should leave the kids at home in a bubble. This is the real world, wake up...it's not disney world all of the time. You are bound to run in to scantly dressed woman at the supermarket, the mall, etc...so what makes a plane any different. I am now a JETBLUE passenger and so are my children, nobody tells me what I can wear, the service is impeccable, and the flights are far more enjoyable.
That is the snarkiest "apology" I've ever seen in my life. And "mini skirt" prices?
Give me a break. You are no longer my favorite airline.
COME ON PEOPLE THERE IS FAR MORE PRESSING THINGS TO DEAL WITH IN THIS DAY AND AGE! ( I.E. Iraq, soliders dying, terrorism,) LETS REALLY STEP BACK AND REALIZE HOW LAME THIS ISSUE IS!
It's kind of funny how people take things so serious. People saying they will never fly us again.....because of all of this. It's very sad to think of losing a Customer over this but COME ON! As Ian said, there truly are more important things. I don't feel SWA needs to stir the pot, nor does SWA owe anyone any kind of explanation about the facts. It was a judgement call. I was not there. Maybe it was wrong, maybe it was right. But is it really worthy of all of this attention? I don't think so. I have had people upset me before...out to eat, buying a car, whatever....do I expect the President of the company to call me and apologize? NO WAY. And neither should anyone else who lives on planet Earth. Do I expect an apology when one is due? Yes I do. As always, there are people out there who will try to exploit any kind of situation to gain something from it. I'm not saying that in this case, because frankly it's hardly worth my time to type here much less read elsewhere about it. But I do get offended when people talk bad about my Company...We all have made mistakes. And no matter how it was handled, someone would complain. Someone would say we did too much, someone would say we did too little.
This woman stated all she wanted was an apology. She got that. Oh, but you are a large company, so now i'm going to sue you too. So what I said that I wanted wasn't really the whole truth. Now you are going to pay me.
Let's all get a life. Whether I was an Employee or not, this whole thing is a joke and waste of time and internet space if you ask me. And people consumed by this need to move on. We are a company over 30,000. I suppose the head of this company must be able to constantly watch over all of us huh? Nevermind run a major airline. Let's focus on the important things in life. Not some woman who's clothing was felt it was too revealing. And honestly, what business is it of anyones if you were not there, not a part of this? I don't understand. Why care?
Tamra's comments show why only PR staff should be able to post and comment on corporate blogs. When all employees have access to the blog, their attempts to defend their employer almost always make things worse.
Your flight attendants need to learn that they don't live in the middle east, they live in America with it's varied tastes and multi cultured people. Men and women through out our country's history have died on the battle field so that we might be a free people and allow many points of view, even if the other person's point of view does not agree with yours. Shame on you for allowing your flight attendants to dictate and force upon people their own internal sets of standards and morals. That doesn't belong in America, that belongs with dictatorships. I have a suggestion: Make your attendants dress in berkas. That should suit them just fine. They all look frumpy as it is. Don't push your moral standards down everyone else's throats. If you have to do that, join the Taliban. That's the way they think too. "Don't Tread on Me!"
Most of the comments here, on both sides of the Kyra question, are valid. It's not important in the big picture with Iraq, etc. But it's fun I guess to take your mind off the serious issues; that's why its popular. A far more important issue is SWA change of policy against families and others who need to board first. That's a issue that will cause me to fly another airline, and I fly often. Are you listening SWA??
Paul T. referred to Southwest's policy of "employees first, customers second."
I'm glad to know about that policy. I spend my money where the customer comes first. That policy explains a lot of things.
At least the consumers now know where they stand, and how unimportant they are, to this company.
A lot of the comments on this site by SWA employees make it clear to me that the company lacks training. The employees completely disrespect customers.
Most companies appreciate and value their customers. Southwest employees reprimand their customers and treat them with hostility. They keep talking about their right to refuse service. Guess what, customers have the right to refuse buying tickets from your airline. How can you forget that? How can you forget that the customer comes first and pays for the tickets that pay your salaries?
I've never seen anything like it. The employee responses, more than anything, have assured that I will never fly Southwest again.
Natalie,
By placing Employees first, it doesn't mean we don't care about our Customers. Nothing is farther from the truth. We place our Employees first because we do care about our Customers. If Employees are unhappy and mistreated, who do you think bears the brunt of that attitude? It is Customers. Our thinking is that happy, motivated Employees provide the best service to Customers, and for over 36 years, that has proven to be true. Does that mean that a few Employees may take this as carte blanche to be rude? Well, with 33,000 Employees, it does. But with my experience working for and flying on other airlines, I think our approach is best.
Brian
There should be no apology for asking customers to dress appropriately.
I'm sorry to say, but the manners that used to be taught years ago have been missed by at least two generations. People should not wear anything in public place, that includes a plane, that they wouldn't wear to dinner at my grandmothers house.
I just read that another Southwest Flight Attendant took issue with a T-Shirt a man was wearing on a flight out of Florida. Please address this with your employees. Its disturbing enough the steps we passengers do to please TSA Security...now I have to worry about some Southwest Flight Attendant. What's next the janitor and him taking issue with how I discard my newspaper?
Natalie,
How many establishments/businesses/airlines have you been to that SAY they put the customer first . . . but don't? It's as much a cliche as "our friendly, knowledgeable staff."
If you'd read the book Nuts! by Kevin Freiberg, you would already have known that Southwest puts its employees first and customers second. I like that. Happy employees will naturally treat the customers better. Are there incidents when this isn't so? Certainly, but I bet not nearly as much as on the Dinosaur Airlines that allegedly put customers first!
The shame of this whole skirt episode is that both Colleen Barrett and Gary Kelly forgot their own philosophy when they reversed course and left their flight attendant high and dry, and I hope they've finished cleaning those eggs off their faces. And I hope "Keith" has found meaningful employment elsewhere, because "Employees First" obviously doesn't apply to him.
P.S. I'm not a Southwest employee, just a happy customer.
Once again, SWA does it.
Southwest prohibits "lewd, obscene or patently offensive" clothing. But three hours after inquiries Thursday by the St. Petersburg Times, a spokesman said the airline made a mistake and would apologize to Winiecki.
"It was inappropriate for our employee to approach Joe," said spokesman Chris Mainz. "We don't have a dress code. Only in extreme situations would we want to address this to our customers."
http://www.sptimes.com/2007/10/05/Business/Clothes_call_dings_So.shtml
And as for you, Brian Lusk, you're "Dan Fleschner" comments several months ago show your true feelings about how you like being a "fashion police". But thankfully, Colleen told you to stuff it.
I initially applauded SW for taking a stance and having standards which seem to have all but disappeared in recent years. I am only sorry that instead of standing in principal you then decided to give in an issue apology and pursue dumb marketing campaigns. You blew a significant opportunity with a big and underserved segment of the market (people who dont appreciate profanity and psuedo-nudity in the seat next to them).
Southwest is a joke.
Being a Texas based airline, it comes as no surprise that Southwest treats their customers as cattle. However, the fact that they now want to impose grandma's dresscode upon the same cattle, is nothing short of humorous. I suspect that the comment about coming "from hot pants to hot flashes" is more accurate than they care to acknowledge. Perhaps when the entire staff is pushing retirement they also start becoming fashion facists?
Anyway, one mistake might be forgiven and forgotten but when several incidents start revealing a pattern of customer abuse (cattle abuse?) perhaps it's time the company shakes up it's procedures, staff and guidelines?
I just read the story titled "Southwest sorry again for policing passenger apparel" in todayÃ
This is actually about the t-shirt incident, but I didn't see that as a topic for comment, so am using the closest one I can find.
No apology to the passenger should be given. He chose to wear a shirt that he knew would be offensive to some, and decided that his sense of humor trumped commonly accepted norms of public behavior. This isn't a free speech issue, This is about whether someone has the right to subject others to discomfort solely for his own enjoyment. The answer to that is no.
This is always a sensitive issue, and trying to set specific rules for acceptable behavior is a futile exercise. However, at some point the line between humor (or "fashion") and offensive behavior is clear, as it was in this case. If you have a responsibility to provide an appropriate atmosphere for your passengers, as I believe you do, your employees must have the latitude to exercise judgment in such matters. Yes, they have to be careful and they have to be tactful, but they must act when action is needed. Your employee made the right call.
Where have the feminists gone now since a male passenger got crucified by Southwest? I've read several atriticles and seen many comments by hardcore feminists stating this wouldn't happen to a male passenger when the Kyle Ebbert story broke last month. I can hear the crickets chirping since Southwest is targeting a man over his shirt on the latest clothing flap.
I'm not a Southwest employee nor customer because I live in the Southeast and only am able to fly about once a year to another area of the Eastern coast. I will say this though, I applaud Southwest Airlines and their employee's stances on lewd, crude and rude customers who think they can dress as skanks and annoy AT LEAST HALF of the other passengers. My hats off to Southwest and its employees for bringing to the attention those who don't have any decency or manners to know how to dress and behave in public. Perhaps if more airline personnel were to do this, mine and my children's once per year flights would be more enjoyable. Believe me, while the original skank to complain was Kyla Ebbert, I've seen even worse than her in airports and boarding planes. Now, Kyla according to me was dressed imappropriately, but again I've seen not only worse than her in public transport, but also in grocery and other stores, the workplace and on the street.
Hey, on Dick Branson's airlines, ridiculously short skirts and offensive T-shirts aren't objectionable; they're MANDATORY! Go be offensive on his planes, but leave us on SWA alone.
Ok Southwest, first you have the disgracefull "skirt" incident and now you make a guy change his shirt because you thought it was too "sexual" for your taste. I have been a loyal SouthWest flyer for over 10 years now and you have just lost a customer. Delta...here I come and you can thank the self rightous clothing police at SW for my business. At least I know I can fly Delta and I won't have to check with the "skirt-shirt" police to make sure I'm dressed ok. Southwest should give both of these people free flights for life but you've lost thier bussiness already. You appologized to the induviduals but that's not enough. You must assure all of your customers that they can fly and not have to strip in front of a plane full of people just to make some over paid waitress doesn't get offended. You guys have taken yourselves way too seriously but I guess you'll have to now that other airlines will get all the business you've lost...like mine.
Southwest Airlines has the right and responsibility to define and demand appropriate appropriate attire for its customers. The constitutional right to Free Speech is not at stake. Indeed, the concept of free speech is debased when it is equivocated with mere crass behavior. Customers who fly have a right to expect their fellow passengers to be appropriately attired just as patrons of a restaurant can reasonably expect their fellow diners to be compelled to wear shoes and shirts. It is extremely unfortunate that Southwest Airlines feels the need to apologize for a reasonable and entirely defensible policy. Southwest Airlines, stand fast I say!
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Kyla's myspace page can be found here. The cached link above is not working.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendI...
Again Southwest has appologised for expecting a certain decorum from their passengers. This time about a tacky t-shirt. Yes the man has his freedom of speech, but he can also expect to have people disagree with him. As a private business, Southwest CAN demand certain standards from it's customers. Word will get around, and they will make sure they wear the proper clothes. I would make Southwest my first choice if I knew the customers were not allowed to wear obscene clothing.
So, the first question is:
Why is any outfit offensive?
The answer usually given is "it exposes nipples/breasts/vaginas/penises/whatever too much".
The next question is "OK, so why is that offensive?"
The answer becomes "Well, those things shouldn't be shown in public // Those parts are private // Children shouldn't be seeing those things at their age"
OK, so why shouldn't they be shown? Why shouldn't children see them? Can you back that up with any evidence that it's going to hurt children?
I haven't, and am unlikely to see any convincing evidence that there is any objective, pragmatic reason to avoid public nudity, except for appeals to religion. And enforcement of a dress code for that reason amounts to enforcing religious law.
So, some people are offended by nudity, big whoop! I am offended by christian symbolism, as I find it to be a barbaric religion, with a lot to answer for. That doesn't mean that people should ban its display on jewellery and the like. The solution comes in two parts:
1. Ignore it.
2. Look the other way, if you can't handle it.
The sooner we realise the arbitrariness of society's standards of sexuality and such, the better off we are.
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Well, Southwest has done it again. In Tampa Southwest Airlines Fashion Police warned a passenger for wearing a tee shirt that was printed "Master Baiter" in front. I am simply apalled. I thought this would happen only Iran or other fundamelist islamic countries!
Andrew, I guess my religion must bother you more than your atheism bothers me.
Debopam, your analogy falls flat. In this country, you're asked to change your shirt. In a Muslim theocracy, your hand is chopped off. *If* you're lucky. Which would you prefer?
Sidney, well said.
It appears poor Kyla is finally over the trauma and embarrassment caused by Southwest as you can tell from the following article and photo. I wonder if she still wants to sue Southwest, or was this all just for attention?
http://www.insidebayarea.com/argus/localnews/ci_7146001
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site181/2007/1011/20071011_0...
[...] resources, it makes a lot of sense. She also earned everyone’s respect by admitting with the recent miniskirt controversy, they didn’t handle it as well as they could have. Her self-criticism was that they [...]
Of all of the western nations, I can think of only one "modern" country where something as absurd as this could happen... Yes, good old double-standard America. (Although, if America should be considered as modern is somewhat questionable.) This is something you would except from countries such as e.g. Iran.
When did it become "OK" for an airline to start stopping people based on the clothes they wear? Modern democracy can not be something you condone in general, I imagine.
If you ask me - you do not deserve to have customers.
Who didn't see this one coming. Kyla Ebbert posing for Playboy. It's obvious this whole scam she is pulling about being traumatized by Southwest was nothing but PR to get her name in the news. All you people supporting her are being duped.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jSxOefmTRHZjam2EDG9-BN5x5x-QD8SUHO9O1
http://www.playboy.com/arts-entertainment/features/southwest-ebbert/kyla...
Just a few comments, coming from a regular frequent Southwest flier.
1. The public hasn't been presented with all of the facts of the case. It is believed that on the Southwest flight Kyla was actually wearing a slightly modified version of the clothing she wore later on the Today show.
2. Good or bad press for a company is often positive. A business wants free advertising. The vast majority of customers flying Southwest or any airline will dress in a manner unlikely to provoke others to the point of comment. This incident of Southwest removing a passenger due to attire does not directly affect those people.
3. Of the previous comments on the blog from individuals who will no longer be choosing Southwest as their airline, I am actually grateful as a fellow passenger. If this sort of situation leads you to such an emotional response that sends you to Delta, then that simply means I have very little chance of sitting next to you on future flights. I'd much prefer to sit next to a woman in a short skirt than the type of person that over-reacts in such a way.
4. The US, as we know, is a culture of suing and legal recourse. Everyone is looking to make some money in the easiest way possible. Everyone is a victim. An individual is not accountable for their actions. This behavior is normal, although often over the top. Fortunately Kyla was able to raise enough publicity herself to become noticed by Playboy, no doubt achieving a life's dream. Should instead she be thanking Southwest for helping raise her profile...?
5. Kyla was quoted as being 'traumatized' by the Southwest event. To quote The American Heritage Dictionary:
"Trauma - An emotional wound or shock that creates substantial, lasting damage to the psychological development of a person, often leading to neurosis."
I believe Kyla's myspace page and her Playboy shoot may provide adequate indication as to her personality/psychological state both before and after the case with Southwest.
I'd personally like to thank Southwest for the years of trouble free, and even pleasant flying I've had the fortune of undertaking. When I need to get to A to B, it does the job. The most unpleasant part of flying is typically the other inconsiderate and ignorant passengers. They exist on all airlines, but headphones usually sort that issue out.
Aparently you still don't get it.
I have seen the photos of what she was wearing and not yet seen an explanation of WHY someone took it on themselves to make up rules on the spot. This was not attire that would get a second look from most people.
Maybe you should compare it with some of your past uniforms.
www.businesstravellogue.com/accommodation/southwest-airlines-dress-code....
If you have a Muslim employee, can they kick off any woman without a head covering? Once you have taken people's money, changing the rules doesn't work.
If you say you don't have a dress code, then you have to accept anything that will not get people arrested. If you want a dress code, just state it. Then you are covered.
Then to add additional insult to this you create a sleazy ad campaign built around double entendres.
The new boarding (take a seat) procedure you have is GREAT. Who ever convinced you to go to this should be showered with gifts everytime they are in an airport. Instead of grabing a Hot Dog my wife and I were able to sit down and have a relaxing meal and not worry where were we end up in the line.
This has to increase the revenue of all the Shops and Resturants in the airports.
Please tell the people who put this in place thank you for making travel on SWA easier and less stressful.
Can someone tell me why an A-List person get a higher boarding number than a person with no status?
I checked in exactly 24 hour in advance and I got an A-50. I understand that 1-15 are reserved for Business select tickets, but where are other 34 peoples coming from? This doesn't happen just once but almost every weeks for me since the Southwest changed the boarding procedures.
What people seem to miss in all of this is the following:
If all it takes to get kicked off a flight is that someone complains, then why does it need to be limited to people with "too little" clothing? How many men board planes with pants so large that you see their underwear? How many women board planes covering their heads? How many people board planes and are just plain messy?
I support a dress code for all, personally. While I would prefer to sit next to a beautiful woman, I will give that up if I don't have to sit next to another person that looks like they slept on the street the night before and smells like they bathed last year.
Dear friends,
We regularly fly home to see friends and family in Minneapolis, and now have business reasons to travel there as well. Northwest Airlines has an increasing monopoly on the air travel in and out of that city. Currently the cheapest 21 day advance notice, nonstop ticket is over $500.00 between Austin, TX and Minneapolis.
If anyone out there reads this that is in the decision-making position for Southwest Airlines , please consider the addition of Minneapolis to your route map . With major companies such as 3-M and Motorola having workforces in both cities, it is increasingly challenging and expensive to fly between these two cities. Given southwest's reputation of helping the consumer through competitive pricing , I see this not only is a wise business move, but as a great public relations opportunity .
Thank you in advance for your consideration, and I look forward to flying Southwest Airlines between Austin, TX and Minneapolis.
I cannot believe Southwest would not allow Kyla to board a plane because of what she's wearing. It is unbelievable. She didn't break any laws, she has all her undergarments on and her bare butt wasn't on the seats (so not a hygiene problem) and even if it is, she's got undies on. So what's the big deal? I'm sorry, but if I were one of the passengers, I would have lectured the flight attendent back. What she's wearing is nothing compared to some of the other clothing that some college students wear these days. This is America and we have the freedom to wear what we want and say what we want as long as we're not breaking the pre-determined laws of our country. I hope she sues the crap out of Southwest. I fly on southwest a lot too, but not anymore. Very disappointing.
what a joke..she is stupid... you provide a service..you can deny anyone to fly as you wish.. as long as it is not racial.
she is a joke....I feel most people feel the same.....Just the media trying to get a story... go southwest.
NO IT IS NOT HER RIGHT. THE AIRLINES HAS NOT OBLIGATION TO ACCOMANDATE HER...THEY CAN SAY NO IF THEY DESIRE.....I AM A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT AND I BELIEVE SHE CAN BE DENIED.... THAT IS WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTY.....IF SOMEONE DISAGREES....IT IS DISCRIMATION. SCREW THAT....IF SHE IS A CUSTOMER SHE CAN BE DENIED
why don't you address your pilots sleeping with the flight attendants???? Shocked you don't have a policy against having sexual relationships with co-workers
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